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Interview with Charlotte Hynes

Charlotte Hynes 

 

Paula Boulton [00:00:01]  OK. So hello, Charlotte.

 

Charlotte Hynes [00:00:02] Hello.

 

Paula Boulton [00:00:04] So you’re the first interviewee for the shouting for 20 years project, and it’s thirty first of July and we’re going to talk for about an hour altogether if that’s OK.

 

Charlotte Hynes [00:00:15] Yes,

 

Paula Boulton [00:00:15]  I’ll just ask you a series of questions and, you know, talk around them.

 

Charlotte Hynes [00:00:21] Yeah.

 

Paula Boulton [00:00:21] Hopefully they’re not, ‘yes’ / ‘no’ questions, hopefully.

 

 

Charlotte Hynes [00:00:24] Oh, no. You know me. I can’t shut up, so we’ll be fine.

 

Paula Boulton [00:00:27] So, yeah, if we could just start, what I’d like to know to start with is, obviously there was a time in your life and there was no Shout, then suddenly Shout, was a thing. So, how did you first hear about shout? And if you roll into that opening question, you know, how, how did you, what was your first impression when you came along? You are 30 now – how old were you? That’s a good starting point I think.

 

Charlotte Hynes [00:00:49] Yeah, sure, I would say, I mean, I believed I joined in my last year before going into sixth form, so er, year eleven. And I heard about it because at the time I was part of a Manga, which is like Japanese comics and animate group who, was with my best friend Laura. And we would go over to Kettering Library and read and stuff. But I’d always like drama and I was always looking for a drama group to join. And at the time during my Manga group, there was another member called Rob Kane, who I found out was actually at Shout, and he recommended it to me. And truth be told, because I fancied him a little bit, it was like all the more reason for me to ah, I’m going to join. So I had like a kind of dual motive for it, so to speak. Urm but, yeah, so I ended up joining and my first impressions was urm, at the time, it was quite a big group because it kind of, my time there kind of fluctuated. There was a lot of people and then it kind of sometimes could dwindle and then there’d be people that come back because they might be going on holiday or they might be off to uni, etc. so, you know, obviously people have commitments. Urm, but yeah, my first impression was how much fun it was. And it was for me not only to do something that I love to do, but it was to build up my confidence in doing it, but also to meet and socialize with more people. Because I was in a group in my, and my year, I wouldn’t say that we were necessarily bullied. Obviously, you do have bullies and there are people that do pick on you. But we weren’t by any means popular. We were kind of like the nerdy kind of quieter group. So, yeah, it’s kind of like something to bring me out my shell. Because when I first went into senior school in year seven, I, I would get up and do like a one woman show. It was like that’s my amount of confidence. And then as soon as like puberty hit and I noticed that I liked boys and, you know, I, I, I had more like self-awareness. I just went completely into my shell. So it’s a way of me coming out of that shell. And, you know, obviously when I was taking drama GCSE as well, I helped a lot to practice, so.

 

Paula Boulton [00:03:11] Right. So it looked like it was it was fun the first night.

 

Charlotte Hynes [00:03:15] Yeah. I would say yeah.

 

Paula Boulton [00:03:16] Can you remember what that group was working on that first night? Do you know any the content memories?

 

Charlotte Hynes [00:03:22] Gee. I think we would, I think it was it was just before we were gonna go into ‘Look Both Ways’ and we had just, so there was like, you had those periods, and I think it was during summer holidays that I might have joined where we were doing like either revisting old plays or doing something slightly new, but it was like a temporary topic, before we moved on to the next big thing. And I think, because I was, I was looking at the plays that we were doing, because I’m doing script, write, and the rewrites and edits at the moment for Paula. I’m doing the scripts. And there was one that come to mind and that was I have read this before and I’m pretty sure it is, it wasn’t ‘Foreigners’, it would have been, it was one where it was Chelsea and Lee and they were having an argument.

 

Paula Boulton [00:04:19] Every play.

 

Charlotte Hynes [00:04:20] Literally every play. They were having a Barney. But I was reading and I think and I’ve done this like I, because, and those times, obviously, Paula, would bring in parts of the script from a previous play and we would revisit and re re-enact it. And it’s kind of like, how can you get tips from other actors. What do they do different from how you would interpret it and how you would say, or how you would act to do an action, etc. so, I’m sure we did. I think it was ‘Foreigners’. I’m sure there’s something that brings about.

 

Paula Boulton [00:04:53] Could you describe what you remember of the of a normal Shout session, how it happened? Also, would you mind saying what school you were at? And also where the rehearsals were taking place, where the sessions were held at this point in your life. And although, you know it was year 11 we don’t know how old you are or what year that was. So, if can pin it down to two thousand and what, what school and where we were rehearsing.

 

Charlotte Hynes [00:05:20] Yes. So, I was about 15 turning 16 when I joined. I was there for a duration, I would say roughly two years. I went to Brooke Western City Technology College, which it was called at the time, which is now Brooke Western Academy. And what a typical night would be.

 

Paula Boulton [00:05:41] Just so if you were 16. What year was that?

 

Charlotte Hynes [00:05:44] That was year 11.

 

Paula Boulton [00:05:45] So 19, 20, 2005.

 

Charlotte Hynes [00:05:48] Oh, yes. Sorry. 2009, so eleven years ago.

 

Paula Boulton [00:05:54] Yes. And where were the rehearsals held at that time?

 

Charlotte Hynes [00:05:57] At the Labour Club.

 

Paula Boulton [00:05:59] I’m just trying to visualize, it’s 2009, your 16, you’re a Brooke Weston student and you are coming to the Labour Club.

 

Charlotte Hynes [00:06:09] The Labour Club. Because it’s a conservative school isn’t it? I knew you were going to mention it. I didn’t want to go, to be honest with you, I didn’t want to go. I, I, my parents wanted me to go. And they were happy when I got in, but I wasn’t happy. I kicked off about it coz I wanted to go to Kingswood with all my friends.

 

Paula Boulton [00:06:26] Are you a Corby girl?

 

Charlotte Hynes [00:06:27] No, I’m from Essex originally.

 

Paula Boulton [00:06:29] So when did you move to Corby?

 

Charlotte Hynes [00:06:30] I moved to Corby in 2003, my last year of junior school. So I went to Danesholme my last year and then I moved to Brooke Western.

 

Paula Boulton [00:06:41] Did you have to do an entrance exam?

 

Charlotte Hynes [00:06:43] Yeah, I did, yeah. I don’t know what they have to do now. It’s been so long, but we had to do a number of like I think we even had to do an IQ test at some point. It was like weird like mapping your mind kind of thing. And then I also had to do an interview. And the only thing I remember from that interview is like, urm, you know, do you take your time with your work or do you like like to work fast? Because obviously there’s deadlines and stuff like that. In regards to coursework. And I said, no, I take my time. I can’t rush things, I have to check it and that’s the only thing that I remember. That and the like, we have to do tests on shapes and stuff like it was like IQ tests.

 

Paula Boulton [00:07:23] Psychometric testing.

 

Charlotte Hynes [00:07:23] Yes, psychometric.

 

Paula Boulton [00:07:23] So can I just ask you what you were saying you wanted to go to Kingwood but your parents wanted you go to Brooke Western. What was the process of getting into school for you? I mean, was it, was it you know, they had three choices and you got, did you get to do them?

 

Paula Boulton [00:07:38] Oh, yeah. No, we did have choices. So obviously you’d put in your choice. So I think my first choice was obviously Brooke Weston from my parents. My second choice was Kingswood. And then, God knows what my third choice was. I don’t know if it would have been Lodge Park or maybe even they might have asked me to go to Kettering, I don’t know. I but I only remember two choices at the time. Which was Brooke and Kingswood.

 

Paula Boulton [00:08:03] And what were your parents’ reasons for wanting to go there?

 

Charlotte Hynes [00:08:06] At the time it was a prestigious school. It was in the top five in the country. It was when it was all the rage, you need to go to Brooke Western, and you’re gonna go off to uni and.

 

Paula Boulton [00:08:17] So what can you tell us? Whereabouts you are in the education scale?

 

Charlotte Hynes [00:08:24] I went off to uni and so I went to Bangor University in North Wales, and I initially went to do primary education to become a teacher. And then in my first year, I come out because I decided this too specific is not really what I wanted to do. I then wanted to do childhood studies, which was gonna be a lot more open, and I could go down the roots of child psychology or child fitness and, you know, maybe even social, a social worker, etc.. And I was there for two years and I got hit by a truck basically with depression and I come out of uni for it. So, I had to have cognitive behavioural therapy. And ultimately, it was my decision that I was not going to go back.

 

Paula Boulton [00:09:11] So during school. Were you like one of the top kids in the class? Trying to work out where you fitted, you know. Is it, is it true that it was the top 10 percent of intelligence levels that went to Brooke Weston?

 

Charlotte Hynes [00:09:27] I have to admit, because a lot of people say it is said it was a prison or, you know, like a concentration camp almost. It was it was like that bad because it was so strict you couldn’t go outside for your lunch breaks and stuff, you know? I mean, we had, we had it good. I knew I had it good. But a lot of people look over, you know, it’s a prison. You know, everyone hates school time because you’ve been there, done that. You’ve seen it all as a teenager. And for me, it was more that I wanted, so I, when I was there, I would say kind of half and half. I think if I hadn’t gone there, I don’t think I would have got a lot of the grades that I did get. I think the teachers that I built up the relationship with and the people that I was around helped me get further in certain things. So I was on average for a lot of my academics, so like my maths, urm, my science to some extent, I got slightly higher in my science because I worked hard. Maths was just there. English was good because I loved to write and I loved to read. You know, the other stuff like IT was kind of like, you know, not your basic, but, you know, steady, grades, pass. Urm, for arts and dramas, I got, I flew because I was I knew I was creative. I knew that’s kind of the aspect that was going to go into. My brother was more academic. I was always the creative one. And I could speak and talk and write and stuff like that, whereas he couldn’t, he struggles to spell. I even had to check his spelling now, you know. So, yeah. So, I think it helped me. I feel like it helped me a lot.

 

Paula Boulton [00:11:06] Were you aware that the other students that were there with you were equally bright or brighter? Did you feel that you were out your depth? You know, were you at the bottom of the heap struggling to get up or, sounds like you were somewhere in the middle but …?

 

Charlotte Hynes [00:11:21] No, I would, I would say I was definitely in the middle. I was never, I was never in the bottom class for anything. And in some of the classes, I was in the top because obviously that was the way they, they did it. But yeah. I mean. In all schools, I think you had a good average of people that were in the bottom, so like class clowns slash, couldn’t really focus on the work slash, you know, were really easily distracted or just like where they had to chat with their mates and stuff. Then you had the people in the middle that was just like, you know, good at some things bad at others. And then you also had people that were like shining stars went off to Oxford and, you know, went, travelled around the world on their ‘gap yar’. So, you know, we had a good variation. And that, I think. The reason perhaps, maybe why the system works is that they would shine a lot of the spotlight on the people that were high. It was like all over their website, all over the newsletter. You know, any kind of news bulletin that they had, it was put into focus. I think that probably motivated people to go, ‘if I could do that, if I worked hard, maybe I could do that, and maybe I could go off to Oxford like this person’. Because they’d also have people that would come back and say, ‘I left here five years ago and this is what I’ve done with my life, and ABCD’. And they might do presentations on what you wanted to do if you if you took the uni route or what you would do if you took the travelling route. And it was you know, it kind of gave you a bit more perspective. For me, I just think I was too focused on boys, especially my last two years. And I was also too focused on my friends, you know, and I think. I could have got top grades if I’d really applied myself. If I could do it now, it would be a piece of piss for me. I don’t know if I’m not swearing on this? Free speech? And as yeah, it would be an absolute piece of piss for me now. And I do curse myself as I think a lot of people do. They look back and they think, you know, school was probably the best days of your life. Everyone tells you it, your parents tell you it, your friends tell you it and it’s true. I really would love nothing more than to go back and do through the art again. I loved the pottery. I love the paintings, the oil, the different types of white oil pastels and different types of media that I would do. Drama as well.

 

Paula Boulton [00:13:45] So despite not being known as an arts school, you was a creative student?

 

Charlotte Hynes [00:13:51] It had a fantastic, every single department was a really good department. It was a, I think the reason why it was one of the best schools, was because they invested a lot in order to invest in the students and they had it all kitted out. The art was like, the art studio in the design studio was really, really good at the time. It was like proper top notch for what, for what it was at time. You had your like 3D printing machines and your acrylic cutting machines, you know, we had a kiln, we had loads of different like a big massive pantry full of like every kind of art media you can think of, it was like my wonderland. It was like literally, can I have this Miss, can I have that,  I need this for a project? And yeah. So, it definitely helped you because even the tech, the tech at the time was really good. When I was doing media like they had all the Macs for the, if you wanted to do movie trailers and music videos and stuff and editing, it was it was great. It was really good.

 

Paula Boulton [00:14:58] So what was it that made you think you would want to go to Kingswood?

 

Charlotte Hynes [00:15:02] My friends, when I was in Danesholme, I just moved up. Urm, I’d been at school for a year, made really good friends in junior school and because I knew there was like this only certain amount of students that they let in. And I was really worried that we wouldn’t all get in and I would have to be making friends again, because it was traumatic for me being that young. Moving up from somewhere that I’ve never, somewhere that I obviously knew and love and all my family and friends and cousins and stuff were down there. I had all those relationships. So, for us to be the only family up here. So it was literally me, my brother, my mum and my stepdad to make friends and then to have to do that again. For me, it was really traumatic. I cried on the first day that I was at Brooke. When I, when I went in I cried because I was just so like, you know, so upset that I had to go through all that again, it was, it was traumatic, I mean, like obviously the distance at the time was a big thing for me as a kid.

 

Paula Boulton [00:16:11] The distance from your home to the school?

 

Charlotte Hynes [00:16:13] From Essex to Corby.

 

Paula Boulton [00:16:17] Oh I see, Yeah.

 

Charlotte Hynes [00:16:17] And obviously, I wasn’t going see my dad as much or my family as much. It was just. Not very nice. So.

 

Paula Boulton [00:16:23] Do you mind just saying briefly, without divulging anything personal, why did you come?

 

Charlotte Hynes [00:16:30] Yes, sure. So, my parents their, urm one of their branches was closing down. So, they were about to be made redundant. But they said that there’s a new branch up here so you could relocate, but you could also get promotions. So they come up here for a six week trial and then realize actually this is quite decent. They found a good area, which was, you know, Great Oakley, at the time. They said that if you were moving to Corby, you’re not moving to Corby, you’re moving to Great Oakley, because at the time, Corby had a bad reputation. And so they came up for a six week trial. And then, yes, they decided to go for it, and have a good, like, have a better life than what they talk down in Essex. obviously, they weren’t gonna have the opportunity or be quite hard. And so that’s why they just moved up.

 

Paula Boulton [00:17:23] And so was that you both, you were with your parents? Or were there two families – there was a step-family involved?

 

Charlotte Hynes [00:17:29] Oh, OK. So, I’m way back when my, my parents split up. So I, when I was five, my brother was three, my dad cheated on my mom with someone 20 years younger than him at work. Completely broke my mum’s heart and she was like, no, get rid. So, she obviously moved back in with my grandparents at that time temporarily. She already knew Paul, who is my stepdad, and he’d been fancying her for quite a while. They got on. They decided that. I don’t think it happened super quick, but it was like quick in terms of relationships sort of thing. So, they kind of moved in together. And, you know, obviously, my dad things didn’t work out with this bit on the side, and that was pretty much it. So basically, I was kind of like split parenthood. So, I would obviously see my dad on like one day during the week and then every other weekend. And then obviously it kind of got less and less when I moved up here.

 

Paula Boulton [00:18:31] OK. So that must have been quite a, you know, kind of a disturbing thing.

 

Charlotte Hynes [00:18:36] It was, yeah. I mean, at the time my brother didn’t remember it because obviously he was so young. But I remember all the arguments. Then I remember all the fallout like, it was rough, that bit was rough. They, don’t get me wrong, my parents gave me a really good life. But their relationship, like.

 

Paula Boulton [00:18:57] Yeah. So, you’ve got that, you’ve got that as a background, obviously there was stability. You were intelligent and creative and talented. So, you were in a school that motivated your aspirations. But as you said at the beginning, the nerdy bit, you did end up being not particularly happy, having some bullying going on at school. And then you suddenly find yourself at Shout with, I imagine, quite a mix of people.

 

Charlotte Hynes [00:19:29] Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. People that I hadn’t even like really had like experience with before, because obviously in Shout, it was not all ages, but it was like from 11, yeah, from 11 to 18. And then plus if you wanted to become a Shout leader. So obviously we did have a range of people that were a bit older as well. So, yeah, it was just a big range at the time. Like it was it was nice to obviously look at. For me, I always found that the old people were so cool. I was wanted to be like, for example. Will, or Ellie Briawzi, who was into art, like I loved her. And, you know. Will, I just thought was an amazing actor, you know. So it was always it was always really nice to. And Jack as well. Jack was good. I’m trying to think. Obviously, I got on well with Rob,

 

Paula Boulton [00:20:25] Was there was there any notion that there were people that were less fortunate than you or possibly if there is an associated economic scale? Were you aware that there were, you know, variations and that going on?

 

Charlotte Hynes [00:20:41] I mean, I think you could, you could possibly tell. I mean, I, I don’t know, because at the time, that’s not what you think about whe,n when you’re younger, you don’t think about that. You get on with who you get on with and you don’t who you don’t. You know, I even at CTC, which, you know, you would think has rich kids, and they were, but it wasn’t, it wasn’t at the time you didn’t think about that because it, it didn’t really matter. It wasn’t like, oh, I’ve got the latest phone or I’ve got this or that. I think other people might argue differently. I don’t know. I personally didn’t really notice it as much. It was like, you know, if we got on, I don’t care if you’re richer than rich or poorer than poor, you know, you you’re the person in my eyes. So.

 

Paula Boulton [00:21:28] OK. So, there you are in Shout. Can you remember, that, you were saying that that you hoped it would help you with your drama? That was one thing. But in terms of your confidence level, can you just talk a little bit about what, not the drama, but what kind of social things you learnt in Shout that actually did improve your confidence or help you feel more confident?

 

Charlotte Hynes [00:21:58] Yeah. I think it was a case of putting yourself forward because obviously it was kind of like from day dot, we, we do the warmup games, we will have a bit of fun, we then kind of go off into groups and we’ll work on something or we’ll do a big group task or we might work individually, if we want to do monologues. And then at the end, you will perform. And you would always perform. So that was a big shock to me. But it was also at the same time like. I was in two minds, I was like, oh, my God, I’m really going to do this. And then I was also like, oh my God, I’m really gonna do I’m going to go for it. So it was like, really weird. It was like two sides of the scale. So obviously I was nervous. And I think for the first probably couple of months, I would say I was I was still coming out of my shell. But I think that’s what helped is that you say, no, you are going to perform, you’re going to say something, even if even if someone had a confidence issue or like a real bad deep cut anxiety issue, like, no, I can’t do this, I can’t do this right now, like, I want to do this eventually, but I’m not at that point yet. You’d even say, well look come over here and you say it to me. D’ya know, what I mean, like it was a good relationship where obviously, ideally we would all like to perform, but it was good that you had that kind of boundaries. But for me, it it was the conf like, I’m trying to think … I really struggled when I was younger. As soon as, like I said, when puberty hit, it hit me like a brick. And I really wasn’t the happy, outgoing smiley girl anymore. I was constantly thinking about my weight. I was constantly so annoyed about my height because I was when I was a tallest girl in my year. You know, I thought that, you know, no one was going to look at me or, you know, I wasn’t pretty or I didn’t, I didn’t know how to do makeup. I didn’t know how to do hair. I was a bit of a tomboy. Like, you know. So for me, it, slowly but surely it was kind of like, not only it wasn’t like I was being forced into it because that would never happen, but I was forcing myself to go, no, I need to step out. I need to, I want to be that person again who went ‘right, I’m going to do a one woman show’. And I’m like, when I did that one man show thing, it was like a little silly piece for English in year seven. And I went out as a one woman show thing and I made the whole class laugh. And I remember feeling so good that I made the class laugh. And that’s what I want. I was like, I want them to feel something. I want them to be like, I want to be like on stage comedian and make them laugh or I want to move them. You know, I you know, I want them to think about how I’m acting sort of thing. So for me, it was like I knew the goal was just how to get there. And that’s what I think happened, is that I was not only was I on my own. I was with people that probably wanted or was doing the same thing of was they obviously wouldn’t come, you know. So it was nice. It was two things. It was obviously having that your gonna perform at the end of it, also that you’re with people. So, your in a safe space, no one’s gonna judge you. We’re all gonna do silly things. We’re all gonna, you know, do a barney scit or we’re gonna, you know, do something really deep and moving, or we’re gonna do something really funny and comical. But it was like we were all in it together, which was nice.

 

Paula Boulton [00:25:25] So you mentioned a safe space there. Yes. So what was it that you think, what do you think helped create that safe space at Shout?

 

Charlotte Hynes [00:25:33] I think it was. I think it was reiterated through your teachings, was that it was like it’s not a judgemental, we all have opinions, and we can argue those or debate them. And it was more of a debate. We sometimes obviously got heated, dependent on how strong your opinion is. But I was always been of these people where I was like, I’m going to listen to two sides and then make my mind up. I’m not going to be completely left or completely right because I just don’t think you know as much as you would, might want to. Sometimes I think when you really, really are like or about it and stuff like, I think, you know, for me. I have to be able to talk it out. I can’t scream and shout about it. I think you lose the argument as soon as you do that. If you throw it in someone’s face, or go, no, you have to believe this way. You have to believe this way. It’s like you’ve got freedom of choice in this world. So, yeah. I also think it was also the people it was such, such a different kettle of fish than what I was used to. It was people from all aspects that I would, you know, I’d have a conversation with someone that I hadn’t really talked to properly before and then find out we really got on. And then I’d be like, well, what do you think about this? What do you think if I went this way would this be good, good? Or do you think if I went that way, that’d be good and they’d be like, ‘oh, I don’t care, you know, it’s no judgement here’ sort of thing. And that’s that was the nicest thing, is that, again, you’re all in it together and there’s people from all walks of life there that are not going to, they’re all walks of life that are connected by one thing that they like or enjoy. And that could be the drama aspect of it. That could be the writing aspect of it. It could be the directing aspect of it, you know. So, that was the key thing. We all have this one thing in common. So, it was like there’s no, for me, I didn’t think that we, there was any judgement.

 

Paula Boulton [00:27:23] So urm, ‘circle up’ at the beginning of an evening. So, what would that entail?

 

Charlotte Hynes [00:27:32] Ah, if it was, if you had new introductions, it would start with the new introductions. So I’d be normally kind of things like your name, your age, your school and then maybe a fun fact about you – say, like your favourite colour? Where’s your ideal destination to go? What was your favourite book growing up sort of thing? So that was a nice little icebreaker. So that was the first thing. The second thing, thing would be some form of warm up game ‘Zip, zap boing’, ‘Stuck in the Mud’, the Traffic Light one, so many good ones. I wish I could do that now. And I want to be a kid again. Sorry, I really enjoyed it. Urm, then.

 

Paula Boulton [00:28:14] Tell me just something in that circle. Was there, was there a sense of any one person being dominant?

 

Charlotte Hynes [00:28:25] Yeah, maybe. I mean, it just depends. I think you have the leaders, which obviously their job was to kind of, you know, assist you helping because you were the main leader. Obviously, you were running the group, but you also had like maybe four or five leaders and there might have been one or two that, like, you know, might not have had as much patience as you. So, they’d be like, CIRCLE UP, if no one was listening and like, really scream, like really voice project. You know, I think, nine times out of ten, it was like acceptable. I don’t think a lot of people were upset by it, but obviously, I think, you know, you could, you could have been upset by it, if you’re one of these people that doesn’t like loud noises. Or, like, you know, doesn’t like people shouting at them, you know. So, yeah, there was definitely a few dominant personalities. I think by the end of it, I probably become one, to be honest with you.

 

Paula Boulton [00:29:18] So and so were the things in place in the group to hold that in check. Where there any kind of rules or, you know, guidelines that made, you know, with the participation possible for those that were quiet, for instance.

 

Charlotte Hynes [00:29:34] Yes.

 

[00:29:35] Yeah. I think it would be, like it was like I think it was always an unwritten rule anyway it was like, you know, there would be a time where someone would talk to them and say, look, you’re being a bit, you need to take it down. You’re at a ten, we need you at a two, just wind your neck in. And then it was also kind of like, kind of encouraging the others to be like, right now it’s your turn. What would you like to say? So I think, I think it was level. It was fair. And then obviously, if it, if it was getting to the point where the same people were doing the same shit, different day, you know, it would be like, you know, the leaders would then chat to them or you would have a like take him outside and talk to them or have that conversation, because not only did we do the Shout, but we have like sometimes the after Shout, which was when the, the, the session would finish and the ladies would sit and discuss and go through what we’re gonna do next week, for example.

 

Paula Boulton [00:30:27] OK. So, urm, just sticking on how the group works for a moment. And then I want to take you onto a particular topic. Urm, you talked about you being in Shout in the acting side of it. Did you any point become a leader yourself?

 

Charlotte Hynes [00:30:44] Er, yes, I did. So I, I did, I think in my second year of Shout, I did. I was there for about a year and then I decided that I wanted to go forward. I thought like it was always a good thing to do and it would help me even further progress, especially obviously stuff like that is good on your CV. But also, the other side of it is I really wanted to do it. I wanted at the time, I was so teacher orientated that I thought it would be a good thing to, you know, have that kind of leadership skills to do.

 

Paula Boulton [00:31:22] And can you remember any training at all or anything? Any discussion, discussions?

 

Charlotte Hynes [00:31:29] Yes, so, kind of like the same sort of thing. So that was when I learnt like, you know, you can’t be too much of a dominant personality kind of touching on the previous subject. But, yeah, it was kind of like, obviously, you’ve got to give everybody your time and also know when things might run over or when’s a good time to bring everybody in, don’t let people, like, go off and do their own thing or not focus on the task, kind of have some focus. Also go and check on them, is everyone okay, is everyone working okay, are they meshing together. Is there some personalities clashing or have we unfortunately put a group where they’re too quiet, you know, should we have put someone in the mix. So, um yeah, I believe like obviously I learnt from you and also I learnt from previously before the training, obviously observing how they were acting, because not only do you have some dominant personalities, you have people that were actually genuinely good leaders. You had Jen you had Chelsea that were really, really good. And they were people, people, person, people. So, they, they had that kind of charisma and they have that kind of leadership skills where they could basically do everything in my eyes. Like they were, they obviously could write, they could do the behind the scenes work as well. But they they were good leaders and they kind of motivated you and, and had that kind of enthusiastic attitude, too, like, no, you can do this. Yes.

 

Paula Boulton [00:32:54] OK. So, there was an aspect I mean, I know that you were one of the ones that was interested in the writing residentials and stuff. A few thoughts about writing residentials. Any memories?

 

Charlotte Hynes [00:33:08] I loved them. I absolutely loved them. I think I was lucky enough to go on two and they have some of like my favourite memories because it was just. We went to Newton, which if you don’t know where it is, I didn’t know where it was. And it reminded me a lot of where I live at home because I live in Great Oakley and there’s a little village called Little Oakley and there’s a church and a nice field. It was kind of like the same thing. But out in the sticks. So, it’s an old, old converted church that was used as a library research lab, and they had bedrooms like bunkbeds upstairs. And then obviously you had like tables. And that was when the first summer I went we were writing ‘Look Both Ways’. And we just had such, such a fun time, we we got ASDA order, we cooked and we watched ‘The Birdcage’, the Robin Williams, we watched Robin Williams and then I can’t remember the name of the film, but something about two cheerleaders. And it was it was just so, so much fun. I was just really, really good. I remember feeling like kind of on top of the world at that point because I thought to really find, I think he was at that point, and then obviously, well, not even at that point. At Shout I found that I really wanted to write. And it’s definitely come with me because I do it now. You know, even if, like, I went to urm, I’ve done it outside of work and outside of uni. Gone to Leicester and done acting for film courses where we’ve done script writing and stuff. And it is just, for me, it was like I fell in love with it because it’s just like I have so many ideas in my brain, and if I just write them down instead of, like, thinking about them in the shower, and I think ah, that’s a really good idea, and then I just forget about it. But yeah, definitely at Newton is where there was like a kind of like a fire ignited. It was just like, whoa. And it was. I don’t think like for me obviously, going through school and going for the academic side of things, there was nothing really that I was good at. I felt like I was just one of these people is always coasting. But when people read the stuff, that I wrote, like, I used to get A’s at school for, like short stories or like longer stories. And obviously when you said, like, you know, you’re a good writer for me was like, whoa, like, that’s come from my brain, sort of thing. I can’t believe something like that, you know, it just it’s me, it was, it was, really it meant a lot to me. And it does mean a lot to me that it’s good in people’s eyes. So it motivates me.

 

Paula Boulton [00:35:48] So the appreciation and the feedback helped with your confidence and self-belief?

 

Charlotte Hynes [00:35:51] Yeah, yeah, definitely, because I was writing it, but I didn’t believe it, that it was good. I just wrote it thinking this is an idea in my brain. I’m just gonna write it down. And I never thought really anything of it until you made those comments, until other people made those comments as well. That was like, really. What, wow. And it just filled me with motivation.

 

Paula Boulton [00:36:14] Great. So, yeah, you mentioned that one of your first plays was the ‘Look Both Ways’. And obviously the first phase in ‘Look Both Ways’ is being bi in a straight world. And we did the research didn’t we, we got people in and then we did the play that was done at the Labour Club and then we went on tour with it and then it became film. So, you were right throughout the whole thing. So, take us through the journey of that with any memories you’ve got.

 

Charlotte Hynes [00:36:43] Yeah, that’s fine. So for me, obviously, I started when it was just like an idea and the idea process was that this is kind of, Paula pitched this to us, we decided that we liked it or like it was obviously this is something that we were going to do. So then we did like basically workshopping. So, that was what at Labour Club we were workshopping through our ideas doing like really rough draughts at this time, you know, like how would someone deal with it? So, the topic might be homophobic bullying in school. You know what happens when you go to therapy for it, what happens, you know, what’s out there on the Web, what’s out there, urm, in regards to tools and, you know, realizing, how would you realize that you, you know, are you just born? That it was like the whole nature versus nurture thing. Are you born that way, is ingrained because of a certain environment you’re in or you know, do you just know this is just a light switch one day. And so a lot of discussion. So there was a lot of discussion, a lot of workshopping, a lot of figuring things out doing rough skits, rough draughts. Then obviously we went to the residential where we obviously looked at media. So we did look at movies that dealt with the subject. We also then, obviously, did the research. So, you know, and we we uncovered a whole bunch of stuff. My, my whole thing was about bisexuals. And for me, I just Googled bisexual and it come up with this this website that had like 13 different types of bisexuals. And for me, I was shocked. I was like. What? What does that even mean? Like, I don’t understand. Like, I don’t understand how you can be bisexual. But these 13 different types of bisexual. Do you have 13 different types of gay and lesbian, you know, I knew there was pansexual. I knew there was trans. Urm, you know, what, are there more? is there like an umbrella. Because I just, I just at that point, I opened a can of worms, didn’t I? So obviously, I looked into it and I thought oh, that’s a great idea for someone who might think they’re bisexual. Being given this like here you go, here’s this massive Bible of what you could possibly be. Fill your boots, so that’s when I wrote ‘Bisexual Single’s Night’, which is still to this day, like my favourite thing that I’ve wrote so far. And which obviously if, if you haven’t seen it or you don’t know, it was basically a lady that thought she was bisexual, or, identified as bisexual and went to a bisexual singles night and every person she went was like a disaster date because it was a different type of the spectrum – speed dating. And then what it was, was that at the end she talked to a lady who was the lady running it and said, oh, you know, you don’t seem like you having a good night. And she’s like, no, I’m not having a good night. And, you know, and she ends up handing her a leaflet that gives you all these different reasons, and they she says this is just nonsense. I’m just bisexual. She walks off. So, yeah, it was like it was obviously for us, I think it was really good at that time because obviously is quite a confusing time as a teenager. With all the hormones and all the mood swings and God knows what you deal with when you’re a teenager, you know, all those things. So then obviously you have this information. I think it was good because it kind of given us a broader mindset. You know, we’re able to obviously go, this is actually something like quite serious that people are dealing with, especially when we doing like, obviously the statistics scene where it was like, you know, actually people have like self-harmed because of this, they’ve like, you know, gone to suicide, unfortunately lost a life because if they’ve gone through some terrible sexual abuse or they’ve gone for some terrible bullying and they just can’t cope anymore. So, it, it really widened our eyes. So obviously, we did all the research. Then, obviously, and not only do we do the research, we actually write at the residential as much as we can. And then we rehearse, rehearse, rehearse, and then we pick a date, we go and perform it. So we performed at Labour Club, which is obviously open to people. I think we put up posters for it. And then obviously, it’s like, word of mouth that we’re obviously doing the playing about this. Come and visit us. Come. And then afterwards, after we did the play, we also took questions, which is really nice as well, because we get feedback. What works? What doesn’t work. Is this. Is too real life. Is this more fiction? What do you think? So it’s good to get the feedback. Then obviously we can either rewrite or change or add stuff in if we needed to. That stuff we had possibly thought of. And then we went on to the film.

 

Paula Boulton [00:41:32] Can I just interrupt at that point? Can you remember the show at The Labour Club, the man from the Department of Health who commissioned it? Can you remember there being bods there? Because we’ve always had this thing about the bods who put up the money for this?

 

Charlotte Hynes [00:41:47] . Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I think I remember them.

 

Paula Boulton [00:41:53] Do you have a memory of whether or not it ticked their box? Was it a success as far as they were concerned?

 

Charlotte Hynes [00:41:58] Oh, God, I wouldn’t know. I, I think it did. Did it?

 

Paula Boulton [00:42:02] It did.

 

Charlotte Hynes [00:42:03] Oh, good. Good, good.

 

Paula Boulton [00:42:03] Which is why we were then asked to do the film.

 

Charlotte Hynes [00:42:06] Right. Yeah. All right.

 

Paula Boulton [00:42:07] We were asked to tour it first of all …

 

Charlotte Hynes [00:42:10] … Oh yes coz we did it Castle as well, we did it at the Castle Theatre, sorry I missed out a part. We can backtrack. But yeah. So after that we go on tour or we, we perform it as much as we can perform. So we also perform that Wellingborough, which my parents came to and realized how crazy it sort of was? What is this sort of thing and then my brother come as well and he eventually joined shout and, but yes. So. So we did that. So, we went on tour, so we did a couple of performances at the Castle Theatre. And to my knowledge, I think that was it. We didn’t go to any schools did we?

 

Paula Boulton [00:42:48] Corby and Northampton, we did 4. Wellingborough, Corby and Northampton – we did 2 Corby.

 

Charlotte Hynes [00:42:51] I can’t remember Northampton, was I there for Northampton?

 

Paula Boulton [00:42:58] I think you were there for all of them.

 

Charlotte Hynes [00:43:01] Really?

 

Paula Boulton [00:43:01] But actually, actually, what it would have been is just doing the play, getting in a vehicle and just doing the play.

 

Charlotte Hynes [00:43:08] Literally yeah. I remember the castle theatre. I do remember. I remember going.

 

Paula Boulton [00:43:14] Did you get any teasing or, you know, comments because there you were playing gay characters, at any point in the play or the film. Was that an issue?

 

Charlotte Hynes [00:43:25] It wasn’t an issue for me playing that. I think personally my parents would, might have, had a different issue if I had gone down a different route in life. I mean, they did tease me in regard to, like, not, not so much about that, but I think my acting at the time, like, they they just lightly, you know, parents like to poke fun. It wasn’t ever serious. It wasn’t like, you know, oh, my God, you know, my mum just likes to crack jokes all the time. But, yeah, she, she did she did say that she enjoyed it. And she thinks it was good for me, to, to get me out my shell. I think she saw how much I enjoyed the group and the same with my stepdad and my, and my dad as well. And my brother obviously he’s a bit of a twat anyway. So, he was kind of like oh, you know, does this mean you’re a lesbian now? I’m like I’m a bisexual in the play. Bisexual. Well, so you like women now too?.

 

Paula Boulton [00:44:23] Because I imagine we were so steeped in it all the time and, you know, obviously through doing the research, any phobia or any anti lesbian or anti-gay feelings that were within the individuals in the group had turned completely around. And they were, the whole cast was really accepting of it. But I think I lost sight at that point of the fact is these kids were then going to be going into school, having their normal lives and people saying, what did you do at the weekend? You know? What was in the play or what were you playing? So the real life things in the play were actually happening, too. So, I mean, I remember one one character in particular who was very convincing, you know, so everybody assumed that that particular actor wasn’t acting, and he really was acting. You know. And I remember attitudes changing. I remember Lee, at the beginning…

 

Charlotte Hynes [00:45:26] Oh Yeah.

 

Paula Boulton [00:45:27] … the famous statment there’s no such thing as bisexual, they’re just greedy.

 

Charlotte Hynes [00:45:31] Yeah.

 

Paula Boulton [00:45:32] Even though individuals within the group, in that room, had said, well, I identify, I am bisexual, we didn’t say identify in those days, that’s a new thing, this was 2010.

 

Charlotte Hynes [00:45:42] Yeah, like just. I am.

 

Paula Boulton [00:45:44] I’m a bisexual or whatever. And, you know, to have to, that was like somebody being racist. When we started the ‘Foreigners Bloody Foreigners’ play.

 

Charlotte Hynes [00:45:52] I think a lot of people that did upset a lot of people.

 

Paula Boulton [00:45:55] You know, and to have actually turn that one round and by the end of it, definitely had got it.

 

Charlotte Hynes [00:46:01] Oh, yeah. He has, which, which is the nice thing about it, because like I said when I was touching on that subject before, where I’m, I’m not one of those people where I’m like completely one thing or completely the other.  It’s just because of that reason, because you end up upsetting people, you know, you don’t mean to because its your opinion, but you do end up really grating someone or just, you know, grinding someone down. Which shouldn’t be the case. And yeah. That was, that’s nice, I think that’s one of the benefits, one of the nicest things about ‘Shout’ is that you might go in not knowing about something or not having an opinion on something, or having such an opinion on something. And then by the time that you’ve done the play, or you’ve gone through what you what you working on, you’ve got a completely new perspective. Might you open, a new phase? Maybe not. But at least you’ve, you’ve seen it. You’ve had it first-hand. You’ve had someone that’s been in for an interview or you’ve researched it or you saw this video online about someone that, you know, was really, really down because of the way this was impacting them. You know, that was the nicest thing.

 

Paula Boulton [00:47:10] So you mentioned that about the meeting interviewees.

 

Charlotte Hynes [00:47:15] Yes.

 

Paula Boulton [00:47:15] Because to me, that’s one of the novel parts of our research process that we would, we would get people in who were living, whatever it was.

 

Charlotte Hynes [00:47:25] Yep.

 

Paula Boulton [00:47:26] Can you remember, does any one particular interview, stand out or visit from anybody. Or hearing anybody’s real life story.

 

Charlotte Hynes [00:47:39] Ahhhh, I can’t, I can’t remember the people that come into the group, but I can remember my best friend.

 

Paula Boulton [00:47:43] I was going to say Laura?

 

Charlotte Hynes [00:47:45] Yeah, yeah, Laura. Yeah. So, Laura is my best friend, and she identifies as bisexual. Still does now. But she’s happily married to a man. But, yeah, she’s still I mean, she’s, she is what she is. She’ll obviously see a fit bird on TV and she’ll go, oh God, what I wouldn’t want to do to her. Sort of thing, you know. Seriously. And so yeah. And it was really cool because at the time I’d say I was growing up. So like I said before, obviously coming to ‘Shout’, I was already open to that because I knew her and I knew what she was like and, you know, and she got bullied for it. There was a, someone that she liked in our year and she just, you know, as it does, you tell someone and they tell everybody. And it just got round and she was devastated because the person didn’t talk to her anymore. Or thought that she was weird because of this. And it was all it was horrible. It was heartbreaking. But, you know.

 

Paula Boulton [00:48:38] So do you think it’s erm. One of the unusual aspects of ‘Shout’ is the way we get the community involved in performing the plays. It occurs to me that Laura actually ended up performing in the film.

 

Charlotte Hynes [00:48:54] Yes, she did. She did.

 

Paula Boulton [00:48:56] So. I think that’s one of the unique aspects.

 

Charlotte Hynes [00:49:03] Absolutely. And she was all for it as well, because that, in fact, I’m not too sure, but may, maybe that may have, may not have been, maybe something that might sparked her interest. She’s always has an interest as far as I’m concerned. But that’s, she went on to do that as a side product, she was in Leicester with me doing the acting for film course. She also, again, loves to write. And she has done microfilms. And she now has a YouTube channel when she reviews international films. You know, as well as obviously do her own skits and stuff when she has the time. So, yeah, she’s. I think that was, again, nice. And things like not only do we get your story, do you want to be a part of this? And you sometimes get some of you, sometimes find some amazing actresses, actors that way because it’s like, oh, I’ve got the hardship that I’ve gone through, or I have a story to tell. They’ll tell it. And then it’s like, well. Do you want to be incorporated and yeah. Laura. Laura was well up for that.

 

Paula Boulton [00:50:03] Can you remember doing the filming? When we did the youth group scenes down at the Connaughty Centre.

 

Charlotte Hynes [00:50:09] Yeah I do, Yeah. Yeah. Coz I did my monologue there. I remember that.

 

Paula Boulton [00:50:16] Can you remember how you felt personally reading Miranda’s story in there given that that was one of the true ones?

 

Charlotte Hynes [00:50:22] Well, yeah, it was. It was, I mean, I was one of these people where I, I had a lot of my own issues, and I wasn’t one of these people at the time that would cry or be moved by reading something or or watching something, for example. So I wouldn’t, like, cry, but I did, I did understand where it is. It made me sad. It did make me sad. What she’d gone through and kind of like her life, especially with her parents. It was just like, I don’t think anyone, I can’t imagine not having supportive parents. I’ve had, I’ve had massive arguments with my parents, you know, but we always seem to come around. But to have someone completely cut you off and be like, I haven’t, I don’t want anything to do with you anymore, over something that you haven’t really got any control of. You’re just being honest. You’re just living true to yourself. It’s heartbreaking. It’s absolutely heartbreaking to me.

 

Paula Boulton [00:51:20] Yeah. So I’m just looking, we’ve done this in a rather non-circular fashion. So, yes, let’s just have a what was your best moment and what your worst moment?

 

Charlotte Hynes [00:51:43] Best moment was the residentials erm. So, the residentials finding out. I wanted to be a writer or loved writing. And that I was good at it. Definitely the Bisexual Singles Night. I loved the games, you know, like the, the ice breakers and everything. I enjoyed doing the film. I don’t like watching it back. I loved it at the time, I really enjoyed it and it was so exciting for me, cos it would be like a little bragging point for me, like, oh, I’m in this film. I’m, I’m going places me. It’s going to be used as a tool for some form VHS training. So for me, it was like, yeah. And but yeah, looking back, I’m like, oh my God, that chips scene, it’s just like Jesus Christ. With Will, I mean, he was brilliant, he was brilliant. How I can, I don’t understand how I could not like, not crack up at that because, I would love to see bloopers for that. Yeah. Literally he was he was proper. He was milking it for all it’s worth. So. Yeah. And, erm bad? I don’t know, I think sometimes when, when the the session’s got heated, it was very, very quick and it was like naught to 60 in a second. And it wasn’t sometimes a nice atmosphere, especially if you saying oh, last week there was a massive bust up an, you know, someone ended up leaving and stuff like that. And then, you know, coming into next week, you’re like, oh, is it going to happen again? Stuff and all. It was all due to just opinions. It wasn’t like someone said, fuck off to someone, d’ya know what I mean, it wasn’t like that. It was literally because of how opinionated some people were. It was like, you know. many times I was in tears at ‘Shout’ because, you know, someone might have said something or, you know, or, you know, other people were in tears or, you know, it was just because I think we’re all teenagers and we’re all just opinionated. And, you know, it was like, but you don’t feel my pain. You don’t understand me.

 

Paula Boulton [00:53:58] I remember somebody coming in as a visitor and saying afterwards. Oh, my God. How do you do that? And I remember I didn’t know what they meant. I mean it was just so normal.

 

Charlotte Hynes [00:54:06] So normal to you yeah.

 

Paula Boulton [00:54:07] So normal to have all that heightened, heightened everything.

 

Charlotte Hynes [00:54:15] Maybe they don’t have kids. I don’t know.

 

Paula Boulton [00:54:17] Well maybe, but, I mean, I don’t. So, you know, there’s no excuse there.

 

Charlotte Hynes [00:54:20] Well, exactly.

 

Paula Boulton [00:54:20] Yeah. It’s erm, but also, one thing I wanted to ask you was, you know, obviously, you’ve written your own scripts and you’ve seen other plays and been involved in the other people’s productions. Is there anything that you could say could mark a piece out as that’s definitely a ‘Shout’ piece. I can recognize that because it’s got this, that and the other in it. I mean, you’re writing up scripts at the moment aren’t you and I know, they’re all different.

 

Charlotte Hynes [00:54:52] So can you just elaborate what you mean by that as a ‘Shout’ piece?

 

Paula Boulton [00:54:56] Well, I know, I’ll give you one for nothing. I know that at some point in practically every play, the cast on mass will turn to the audience and make a statement.

 

Charlotte Hynes [00:55:07] Ah yes.

 

Paula Boulton [00:55:07] Stop, think? Don’t drink.

 

Charlotte Hynes [00:55:09] Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

 

Paula Boulton [00:55:11] Or whatever, and that’s when I know it’s a ‘Shout’ thing. For instance, that’s one of those things.

 

Charlotte Hynes [00:55:15] OK for me, definitely the physical theatre. So it would be like an action. So for example, the statistic seen, I’m sure in every play there’s some form of statistic in there or some form of information that we give to the audience where it’s like it takes you out of what’s happening in regards to that situation or that scene. We then go on to the hard hitting facts. So, for me, definitely with the ‘Look Both Ways’ and obviously other plays as well, the physical theatre of that is just. I remember seeing that for the first time, coz I don’t think I was in that scene. And it was just shocking, like especially since for those that are listening that don’t know, it was about the statistics regarding the L.B. G. Q. oh God!

 

Paula Boulton [00:56:00]  I think it was lesbian and gay at the time.

 

Charlotte Hynes [00:56:03] Right OK, lesbian, gay and bisexual at the time. So the statistics regarding them and regarding to obviously the bullying, the self-harming, the feeling isolated, feeling alone. You know, the sexual harassment that comes into it. And I just remember all the boys being on stage and Chelsea being in the middle. And she was just like, knelt down and they were all like leaning in to go for her. It was just shocking. It gives me chills thinking about it because it, it was horrible, especially when it was like people who have hurt themselves more than once. And then obviously you have the people that were doing the suicide at the end. That was the last statement, put a noose, not like obviously a noose, it was like an imaginary, it was mimed, an imaginary noose around neck, and pulling it. And then everybody obviously went off and dispersed. It was horrible.

 

Paula Boulton [00:56:58] Oh.

 

Charlotte Hynes [00:56:58] I loved it because I loved the message you gave. But I also hated that scene at the same time because it was like, this is real. It cuts you up. It makes you so sad.

 

Paula Boulton [00:57:10] Yes, so some powerful physical stuff is always a part of a ‘Shout’ play.

 

Charlotte Hynes [00:57:12] Yeah, physical. Always someone erm having an argument. And it was always. like you said there, Lee and Chelsea would always have a bust up.

 

Paula Boulton [00:57:26] Yeah. We allowed there to be shouting didn’t we.

 

Charlotte Hynes [00:57:28] Oh, yeah. No, we did.

 

Paula Boulton [00:57:29] If it was domestic violence or something.

 

Charlotte Hynes [00:57:30] Yeah. No. Because we wanted it to be true to life. We didn’t want to be like, hey, you stop it. We wanted it to be like I’ll fucking go for you and, sort of like we wanted it to be like the real life, like how vicious and vile some people could be to shock people. And you know, unfortunately, it wasn’t like to really upset people. It was just to give you the shock factor. This is happening on the street. This is happening in schools. This is happening, you know, everywhere, and if it doesn’t shock you, I don’t know what else to say, you know. So, yeah. So, it definitely kind of yeah, ‘Shout’ was about ‘Shout’. It was about literally voicing and projecting and, you know, it was, it had that shock factor. And it needed to, it needed to otherwise it wouldn’t have worked the way it did. Anything else. Anything else. The props and the costumes were a big part. So, for example, look both ways, we had pink cowboy hats and we had feather boas, erm, we also I know in other plays, I think it was about Stroke, where it was a super, not super hero, but super villain, and he had a cape and a mask. And so basically it was kind of like having the props as an embodiment of a representation of this, which, you know, obviously, I think, you know, not controversial, but like, I think for ‘Look Both Ways’ it worked, but I know a lot of people would go oh that’s typical isn’t it, going for the cowboy hats to identify people as gay, which, you know, whatever. But, um, yeah, definitely had, the props were good. The props helped sell the story.

 

Paula Boulton [00:59:19] What about any involvement in slides or sound or voice overs or anything like that? Can you remember that being a factor?

 

Charlotte Hynes [00:59:27] Yes, I remember. Again, ‘Look Both Ways’, we had the scene where, um, I don’t know, did we show that on stage?

 

Paula Boulton [00:59:34] I don’t know till you tell me what scene it is.

 

Charlotte Hynes [00:59:37] It was a snippet from a BBC show, and he was, it was a guy,.

 

Paula Boulton [00:59:43] Oh yeah, yeah.

 

Charlotte Hynes [00:59:44] It was a guy, and then he was like his alter ego, talking to him about being gay and saying, like, the future is like I’m here from ten years in the future and you’re going to have the best time ever if you just be yourself and not hide it. And so yeah, so, yeah, definitely having some sort of slide show or maybe a snippet from a different type of media. And music, as well, music was really, really good. Because I always remember the jazz hands at the end of it ‘Look Both Ways’ with hey, waoh, I am what I am, (sings) do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, doooo. That was good. I loved that. I’m all about musical theatre anyway so, it was like, yes!

 

Paula Boulton [01:00:27] OK. So, a mix of media.

 

Charlotte Hynes [01:00:29] Yes.

 

Paula Boulton [01:00:31] Interviewing people and have hard-hitting facts, not shying away from telling the truth and shouting it.

 

Charlotte Hynes [01:00:37] Yes, literally.

 

Paula Boulton [01:00:38] Just to finish then. Were you there when the domestic violence street theatre down at ASDA happened?

 

Charlotte Hynes [01:00:49] No, I wasn’t. I missed that. I wish I would’ve been there.

 

Paula Boulton [01:00:53] That’s part ‘Shout’ law, isn’t it.

 

Charlotte Hynes [01:00:55] Yeah. I mean that was a staple. That was like what not to do.

 

Paula Boulton [01:01:03] Yeah. So, um, obviously quite a lot of the issues are still relevant today. Do you think, doing the plays ever made any difference to anybody’s awareness, not just in the group – do you think they ever affected our audiences?

 

Charlotte Hynes [01:01:21] I think at some point, yeah, definitely. I think you, it would have had some impact. I mean, obviously, this is all subjective because there you, you don’t know unless you interview the audience. If you sat and talked to every single person and go, did this have an impact on you, you wouldn’t know. But I think it did. I think if anything, if nothing happened, it just was an eye opener. It was like a wow. Even if it didn’t change your opinion, even if it didn’t really change you and how you are. It was like, whoa, this, this is just by seeing it, just by like watching what we were doing and what we were talking about, what we were acting. You know it, personally for me, it definitely had an impact on me. I think it made me even more open minded. And a lot of people, I think, as well. If anything, it would open your mind a bit more. It would, it would be able to go, make you see it from, see it from a different side of the coin.

 

Paula Boulton [01:02:21] Did you ever find yourself playing a role that was absolutely the opposite of who you are? Or were you always typecast?

 

Charlotte Hynes [01:02:31] Mm, no, I wasn’t always typecast. There was a scene in ‘Look Both Ways’. I’m sorry I’m always talking about this one, it’s my only play. But yeah. So a sceen in ‘Look Both Ways’ where we’re playing bullies and, I mean, obviously, I think everybody at some point might have said something that might have upset someone because, you know, it goes with the nature. But I know, I knew I wasn’t a bully at school, and that was like completely, like I was really supposed to be rough and tough and that was completely opposite of me. Its a challenge.

 

Paula Boulton [01:03:04] You found that difficult.

 

Charlotte Hynes [01:03:04] Yeah, its a challenge. But I liked it, I liked to get the anger out. It was nice to shout and be like, yeah, I’m going to be trouble, whoa, sort of thing, it was nice to get that. Yeah, I’ll fuckin’ ‘ave ya. It was it was nice to like let off some steam in some way.

 

Paula Boulton [01:03:27] Catharsis.

 

Charlotte Hynes [01:03:27] Yeah. Catharsis. Yeah, definitely. Yeah.

 

Paula Boulton [01:03:30] Right. Well I think that’s probably most of these, you, where you come from, what are you doing, blah, blah? Just to finish, what is it that you do with your life now? I know you said you dropped out of uni, but you’ve come back to Corby.

 

Charlotte Hynes [01:03:46] Yes.

 

Paula Boulton [01:03:47] So, what’s your job now?

 

Charlotte Hynes [01:03:47] Yeah. So I have just been, I have like, since my time at ‘Shout’ I’ve been in numerous different jobs, mainly to do with customer relations at some point. So, I mean, at the moment, I’ve literally just handed in my notice at my current job due to obviously at the moment we’re going for a pandemic. So, my job was at risk of redundancy. So I ended up just having to look to keep my options open, managed to get another job, higher money. So, as of next week, on Tuesday, I will be working for Bosch, which is one of the new warehouses that’s opened up at Corby. I’ll be on nightshift working, doing the same job, so over the phone, customer services working for Australian customers. Very interesting. Something I’ve never done before. I’m sure I’m gonna be okay. I don’t know, but we’ll see. Australians, I think, can be one or two things. They can make every so laid back shrimp on the barbie, g’day mate, or they’ll be cut throat. And I think it’ll be a lot more extreme than UK customers. But we will see.

 

Paula Boulton [01:04:51] You’ll see.

 

Charlotte Hynes [01:04:52] I have patience.

 

Paula Boulton [01:04:53] Just any thoughts to wrap up on the ‘Shouting for 20 Years’ project? Do you think it’s a good idea, any thoughts around it?

 

Charlotte Hynes [01:04:59] I think it’s I think it’s going to be great. I honestly do. I think it’s going to be nice to go back in time. And, you know, like, obviously I’ve seen what Paula knows is I wrote stuff about like certain topics that maybe I didn’t do at ‘Shout’ at the time, or we might’ve touched upon, that I’ve had, dealt with later on in life. And it’s been nice to kind of think actually the stuff that I was just even talking about back then is something that I actually lived through or like, and it could be fortunately could be unfortunately, there’s been all of different situations that’s happened in my life. But, it’s been nice to reflect for sure. It’s been really nice to reflect on that and to to see how it was then to how I am today. It’s nice. So, yeah, I think I think it’s a good thing. I think its going really be a nice thing for the community. I think it’s be nice thing for the people that have been a part of it. And yeah.

 

Paula Boulton [01:05:58] So you’ve been obviously a part of the devising session so far and once it’s written and we get on to perform it, are you looking forward to that?

 

Charlotte Hynes [01:06:05] Yeah. Mm hmm. It’s gonna be scary. I’m not gonna lie, I’m a bit intimidated by it because I haven’t acted on stage in years.

 

Paula Boulton [01:06:14] Yeah, so given COVID and the restrictions that have been placed on us and then the idea so far is that we might end up doing a zoom performance of some sort.

 

Charlotte Hynes [01:06:23] Yeah.

 

Paula Boulton [01:06:25] Any thought how that might work or are you just open to it?

 

Charlotte Hynes [01:06:28] I think I’m at this moment, I’m just open to it. I think maybe if we did a bit more research, maybe, is there something else we could do? Whether we socially distance film it somewhere and just put it out on Youtube. Just go. Here we are. Here’s a scene that we’ve done or the play that we we’ve wrote. Obviously, bear in mind we can’t actually touch each other because, during the situation. But this is our socially distant ‘Shout for 20 Years’ play. I think maybe we can do something like that if we get a space and are able to. We could do it outdoors. That’d be good.

 

Paula Boulton [01:07:04] So you’re still creating, there you go, still at it?

 

Charlotte Hynes [01:07:05] Yeah, still at it.

 

Paula Boulton [01:07:08] Right. Any thoughts you’d like to finish up with yourself? Because obviously I’ve been asking questions.

 

Charlotte Hynes [01:07:13] Uh. I’ll finish on a famous ‘Shout’ quote by Jen Ross. Shoes, shoes …

 

Paula Boulton [01:07:26] … Very good.

 

Charlotte Hynes [01:07:29] You have to be there if you if weren’t there you wont know.

 

Paula Boulton [01:07:32] For Judy, who’s going to be writing this up, Jen played the part of a mother that was trying to dress her very reluctant daughter for a wedding and got very excited at the sight of kitten heels. So there we go.

 

[01:07:49] Thank you.

 

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