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Interview with Cory Gray

Cory Gray 

‘Shouting for 20 Years’ Interview with Judy Caine – 9th September 2020


Judy Caine [00:00:01] Okay, this is Judy Caine. It is Wednesday, the 9th of September, and I’m here with Cory, I’ve forgotten your surname Cory …


Cory Gray [00:00:12] … Cory Gray.


Judy Caine [00:00:12] Thank you, Cory. Memory like a sieve. I’m here with 67 year old Cory Gray, who is one of the founding leaders of ‘Shout’. And this afternoon, she’s going to tell me about her involvement and what ‘Shout’ meant to her. So, first of all, Cory, thank you very, very much for giving me your time this afternoon. Could you start by just identifying yourself for me and giving me your name and your date of birth, please?


Cory Gray [00:00:36] Okay. My name is Miss Corrine Gray. My stage

name is Miss Cory Gray. And I my date of birth?


Judy Caine [00:00:47] Please.


Cory Gray [00:00:47] My date of birth. Do we have to go there?


Judy Caine [00:00:49] No, we don’t. No, let’s not worry about that. That’s fine.


Cory Gray [00:00:53] Well, let’s put it over 25.


Judy Caine [00:00:55] You and me both. That’s fine, Corey. I understand that ‘Shout Youth Theatre’ started in 1998. Can you tell me how that came about and how you got involved please?


Cory Gray [00:01:13] Looking uncertain and checks notes she brought with her.


Judy Caine [00:01:13] Yes, no? ‘Shout’ started in 1998 didn’t it?


Cory Gray [00:01:16] Yes, according to these here yes (looks at notes she brought with her).


Judy Caine [00:01:16] Okay. How did you get involved and what was your role in ‘Shout’?


Cory Gray [00:01:22] Well, because I came from a background of music and theatre and I was just born well, born to do this things, you know. And I started off very young being in the music industry as a singer. And what happened was, I was in the band at the time and then somebody saw me, and in those days, we didn’t, we weren’t half-naked and showing everything. Well, I just wore a long skirt and a top. So, somebody wants to get to know me closer. So they invested money to meet. And then I got a Polydor record from, you know, ‘Terry’ by twinkle. It was a re-recording of hers, like they do nowadays most of the time. And what happened was, if I go past that, then I used to work in TV and film because I was a professional makeup artist, you know. I worked for well-known people that quite, that they’re really well-known today.


Judy Caine [00:02:27] So, you were well qualified to work with ‘Shout Youth Theatre’.


Cory Gray [00:02:29] Yeah.


Judy Caine [00:02:31] What, How did you get recruited to work with ‘Shout’?


Cory Gray [00:02:34] Well Paula came up with the idea about, we said, you know, look at the news and things and we thought well why, why aren’t the schools teaching these children? Things that start from, you know, they start from very young to play with dollies. Right. And then they have this dummy business. They stick in the person with the child’s mouth and I often thought, why do you keep doing that? You know, because these people have something to say, but they’re not allowed to. So, there was lots of ideas going around. And we wanted to know if these young people, I think it was from age 11 upwards – I’m not quite sure because Paula did all the, this sort of work.


Judy Caine [00:03:19] The admin?


Cory Gray [00:03:19] Clerical work, yeah. And it was erm, she said, why don’t we do something then? Why don’t we try and see what effect it would have if we advertise it, just locally in Corby and see how many people want to come to a drama class or singing class or whatever.


Judy Caine [00:03:40] And where did you advertise it and how many people came?


Cory Gray [00:03:43] Well, we, the Labour Club, luckily let us use their hall for free because it was in aid of young people to help them come out of themselves because they came, I don’t know if this is right or not, but they did come from backgrounds of very disorganized backgrounds in the family unit. And some of them were erm, they were rebellious, some of them were very sort of internally, look inward and they wouldn’t come out of themselves, you know. And because I know what all that’s like, because I’ve been through it myself. So we, we were talking away and said let’s see how this works. Let’s see if anybody wants to come to it. And that’s how ‘Shout’ started. And because I’ve had previous backgrounds, everything we covered, I understood all of that, but always understood how to become a stronger person and understand you can teach young people to do the same and to speak out. And that’s why we were, we used ‘Shout’, talk, talk about it. Even if you can’t hear the, you know, your parents are in the room, the TV’s on full blast. I need to tell you something, and you’re not listening. You know, and we used to find this a lot with a lot young people that their self-sense didn’t exist. They just existed because they were, they were with their, a mother and a father. But really, the mother and father didn’t teach them anything about verbal communication because they weren’t taught it. And it goes back through time, you know. So that’s where we got this is going. We didn’t know if we’d get any funding for it. So eventually Paula was doing all clerical work. I’m just the, I’m the one that did the make-up and costumes and things like that. Stuff like that, you know, because I’ve worked on television and I was singing until I got cancer of the breast. Right. In 2013. So I couldn’t work anymore with them. But we did all of this with ‘Shout’. We thought, right let’s if we can get a register and see how many people want to come.


Judy Caine [00:06:02] How many people did you get for your first production?


Cory Gray [00:06:03] Well, we kept our fingers crossed and we got like 20 people to start with. They just put all the names down, and we thought, this is amazing, how is this? You know, we just advertised, do you want to express yourself through drama or singing or anything like that? So, advert was in the papers and they all turned up. We had to register of them what their names were, who they were, you know. It’s, it’s, it all started from there. And then from that moment on, we used to sit in a group and we all used to ask whose name it was. You know, why did you want to come?


Judy Caine [00:06:46] Is this the circle? Because I’ve heard about you always had a circle in every session. So what was your first production? Tell me about your first production.


Cory Gray [00:06:57] The first one.


Judy Caine [00:06:58] That you did with, Paula?


Cory Gray [00:07:00] Yeah (consulted her notes) It was to do with er, that was the very first one in 1998, when this all started off and it was really his first performance after one week summer school, Labour club, venue commissioner, you know, audience to something.


Judy Caine [00:07:21] And what was it called?


Cory Gray [00:07:24] It was called the ‘Play Project Shout’. So what we were doing actually was to get them to talk, even the quietest people we want them to you know, we’re all in group. There’s no one better than you, you’re not out the group, you’re in a group, you know. And we were trying to teach them to understand and communicate with a situation that was out of their comfort zone. You know, and so little by little. This all happened and we all say something about ourselves in the group, why we were in the group. What do you want out of the group? What don’t you want out of the group?


Judy Caine [00:08:07] What did you want out of the group?


Cory Gray [00:08:09] Well, in one way, we wanted them to learn to speak out for themselves. And we were just thinking of this thing. Shout, shout, shout. Well, okay. Yeah. They’d understand shout. Meaning not being verbally aggressive but just throwing shout, meaning don’t hold it in , let it out. Because they couldn’t do it with their parents. They couldn’t do it. We actually had children that the police couldn’t even understand or control, you know.


Judy Caine [00:08:37] And who came up with the name? Was it the young people or was it the leaders.


Cory Gray [00:08:41] Sorry.


Judy Caine [00:08:42] Who came up with a name ‘Shout’?


Cory Gray [00:08:45] Well, both of us, we both sort of had ideas. But I think Paula mentioned the name ‘Shout’. You know, so I said ‘Shout’, what’s it all about? ‘Shout’ because nobody’s listening. The parents weren’t listening to them. The schools weren’t listening to them. The police didn’t listen to them. And we ended up with people who are difficult behavioural problems at the time when we first started. And it was all like the idea that we broke, well, Paula put together and asked me if I’d co-work with her because of my background of what I did in the TV film, makeup and blah, blah, blah.


Judy Caine [00:09:28] So how often did you meet Cory?


Cory Gray [00:09:30] Sorry.


Judy Caine [00:09:31] How often did you meet?


Cory Gray [00:09:33] We used to go on Tuesday because the Labour Club used to give us free because it was the need for the young people. And it was it was really good of them for what they did for us. So we had somewhere to go where they could all have their distance. I mean, social distancing went on a long time before all of this, you know. So they’d all be in their groups and we’d give them an idea and they would have to ad lib whatever they were doing. And so we we’d put them in depending on how.


Judy Caine [00:10:05] Give me an example, a specific example of something that they went off to work on and how it worked.


Cory Gray [00:10:12] In what way sorry?


Judy Caine [00:10:13] Give me an example of a topic that you sent the young people off to work on and how that worked. What sort of subjects did you talk about?


Cory Gray [00:10:21] In one way, we want to start to get together the situation of erm, how well could they talk to the parents? What do they know about all sorts of things? You know, young people getting pregnant, you know, in the sense you’ve done, then, you know, we covered all issues bullying, domestic abuse, violent abuse, sexual abuse. You know, all these sorts of things. And of course, some of them still were in thier shell because they were bullied at school. So we, we got them all, we got all their ideas and we said, right, we’re going to make a play out of this. So who wants to be the person that wants to be really nice and kind and this and that and the other, or who wants to be the bully. Who wants to be the erm, you know, the person that ignores it and just, just internalizes it and not, not have a voice. And that’s something that we saw through the progression of time. To see how well we were doing with that and when we, and it all happened when we started it, they want to do it because they looked forward to coming there, they looked forward to having their little groups here and there, you know what I mean, doing their plays and then being sort of, you know, just, just how all of this going on there. And they’ve actually come out of being mentally suppressed at home. We brought that out when we said, you’ll have to explain and just be and just, you know, act the part of how you are in your home life, as to how you’d be in a different life that you might want to be.


Judy Caine [00:12:18] How did that make you feel? Seeing those young people grow?


Cory Gray [00:12:23] Well, it made me feel, to start with, we, we both didn’t know how it was going to go, you know. And er, but it went pretty well. We actually had a record of people that wanted to join ‘Shout’. Yeah. And what happened was we had a whole register and there were people waiting to come in and join us. So we helped them get out all the emotional concepts that they were feeling through drama and music and everything else.


Judy Caine [00:12:57] You mentioned music, then, did you write your own songs? Did you write your own music with young people for the plays?


Cory Gray [00:13:02] What with ‘Shout’?


Judy Caine [00:13:05] Hmm.


Cory Gray [00:13:06] Yes, yes, I think they come up with, with words, we encouraged them to work together and then we all put our ideas together and then we’d see how they went from there. We also improvised – I just gave them one title, just say, and then they have to go away and think about, well, how can we make this look good to other people? And to get the question over. Of being, you know, inhibited all the time.


Judy Caine [00:13:37] What was your your favourite moment in ‘Shout’? What do you regard as like that was a really good bit?


Cory Gray [00:13:41] Well, it was the fact that we, we saw them advance themselves and not be afraid to talk, you know, to even to their own parents. And the parents, used to come up and say to us, well since they’ve joined this drama group, it’s been, they’ve really been different. You know, they’ve really enjoyed it. And that’s how we got all these people coming out. And we used to work with them and they used to do all this stuff on the acting, and their acting and then we’d talk and make them work even harder and say, right, you get a stick, just say a prize for this and the prize of your own ideas. We gave you one thing to work on and they’d do it.


Judy Caine [00:14:30] What do you mean, a prize for this and a prize for that, a physical prize or just you were just praising them for what they’ve done?


Cory Gray [00:14:37] Oh, yes, yes, they did. They actually won a cup, you know, from the Diana’s brother.


Judy Caine [00:14:45] Diana’s brother? As in Princess Diana.


Cory Gray [00:14:48] Yes, Diana’s brother.


Judy Caine [00:14:50] Spencer.


Cory Gray [00:14:51] Yes. Earl Spencer – ‘Shout’ won an award for that.


Judy Caine [00:14:57] What was the award? I don’t know anything about this?


Cory Gray [00:14:59] Yes, it’s a here, I’ve got it here, I’ve got it all printed out. And it was to do with, it was something to do with like a teenage sex shock. ‘Children and AIDS’. ‘Don’t Panic’. ‘Don’t Pick the Flowers’. The act of taking drugs – ‘Count Me In’ and that was what Paula and me did on our own. We took all the information from one young girl, what she’d been through, and do it ourselves just to try and show people, the adults, what they were going through.


Judy Caine [00:15:35] So some of the topics such you covered in the plays.


Cory Gray [00:15:40] Yeah.


Judy Caine [00:15:42] From what you’ve just said. Did they come from the experiences of the young people themselves?


Cory Gray [00:15:48] Yeah, yeah, a lot of people, but they couldn’t talk about it. You see? And this is what happens, they suppress themselves because, and it’s happening now, what we did 20 years ago, it’s got worse.


Judy Caine [00:16:02] So, would you like to see ‘Shout’ start again? Is there still a place for a ‘Shout Youth Theatre’?


Cory Gray [00:16:06] Yeah, there’s always a place for shout. You know, these people grow up and you never know what they’ve been, what’s going on behind the scene. But what we taught them was not to put up with it. Go and speak to somebody. And then they have these services now where they can talk to people. But they didn’t know these people. You know, but the joy, as you know, going back to what was the fulfilment of it all, was to see them win, win a prize from Diana’s brother. And we were so happy for them.


Judy Caine [00:16:43] What year was that? When was that? When did they win the prize? Can you remember?


Cory Gray [00:16:47] That was, yeah…


Judy Caine [00:16:47] Let’s have a look at your notes.


Cory Gray [00:16:48] I’m trying to look at this, I’m no good at this sort of thing, but it’s on here, it’s on here somewhere. And what we had to do was do some sort of a play again, to do with the issues of all the things that they were going through. Was it that one?


Judy Caine [00:17:10] No, no, that’s fine. No, it’s absolutely fine. So, let’s have a look at your notes, maybe I can read it although without my glasses this is unlikely. Gosh, you did an awful lot plays didn’t you?


Cory Gray [00:17:24] We did lots of, lots of plays, actually, even rehearsing this place.


Judy Caine [00:17:29] Well, yes, in fact, you’ve done 50 plays in total, haven’t you? Because I know part of this project, Paula, has got all of the plays together and she has Jen, do you remember Jen from ‘Shout’.


Cory Gray [00:17:39] Yes.


Judy Caine [00:17:40] She has Jen sorting them out, putting them all in a box file, giving them all their own little section with tickets and programmes. And it’ll all be archived along with this interview and the other interviews to form, you know, this is what she did. This is what ‘Shout’s’ comments were. This is how we reflected the society we lived in at the time and the issues we dealt with. So, I mean this, you should feel so proud of this incredible body of work that you, you helped put together. I mean, one just catches my eye here Corby’s motto, deeds, not words, there’s a play here called ‘Deeds, not Words’. What was that about?


Cory Gray [00:18:21] These not words?


Judy Caine [00:18:22] Deeds, not Words, Rockingham Speedway for CBC Community Consultation Conference. I’ll show you, it’s number 18 here.


Cory Gray [00:18:27] OK


Judy Caine [00:18:35] I just wondered what that was about?


Cory Gray [00:18:36] Deeds, not words. Again, it’s, Rockingham Speedway, we did this at CBC community consultant conference. Well, there was one time we actually and I’m not sure about this actual one.


Judy Caine [00:18:52] OK. Don’t worry.


Cory Gray [00:18:53] We, we used to even try to explain to, to the young people how to, how did they get on with, say, the doctors or, you know, or try to ring somebody up? Well, you can’t do it nowadays. You’d die because by they speak this automated message, you never get through to anybody, you know what I mean. And I think that was to do with, D, S, A, I wish it was written in plain English, anyway, this was…


Judy Caine [00:19:30]  So, it sounds very much to me as if what you were doing was giving these young people confidence, building their self-esteem and giving them life skills.


Cory Gray [00:19:41] Yes.


Judy Caine [00:19:42] Do you still see any of them now?


Cory Gray [00:19:45] I don’t personally, because I have ill health since 2013, you know, so I couldn’t do any more work and I really missed it so much because everything was taken away from me. Blah, blah, blah, with my ill health. But we used to have young people who were so nervous even coming to the class. But just them coming to the class, we’d talk, we’d talk, I’d take them to one side and Paula would take so and so to one side cos she was in tears. And then I finally found out why she was in tears because she was bullied. Bullied again, you know. And still going on. But now they’ve got all their contraptions of their own.


Judy Caine [00:20:33] Oh, the electronics, phones and social media.


Cory Gray [00:20:36] Sat Navs, and all of this, not Sat Navs, that’s for driving. Sorry.


Judy Caine [00:20:40] Phones and laptops and tablets.


Cory Gray [00:20:41] Yeah, laptops and the I-pads and whatever. But it’s happening now.


Judy Caine [00:20:50] Cyberbullying?


Cory Gray [00:20:51] Yes, it’s a really, really worrying now. What’s happening? I mean, what we did then is what’s happening now. You know, and there still isn’t enough understanding with younger people.


Judy Caine [00:21:07] So how much difference do you think your plays made? How much difference that ‘Shout’ make to the lives of those young people?


Cory Gray [00:21:13] Well, to me, to see them actually do a play and get rewarded, the, you know, trophy’s. You know, it brought back all the confidence.


Judy Caine [00:21:26] What about the parents and the wider society? Do you think people who came to see the plays were affected? Did it change attitudes?


Cory Gray [00:21:35] Well, some of them did. Well, I must admit, that the thing is, with parents, they were brought up with other parents who didn’t understand their role. Now we’re in the 20th century. So whatever they were taught isn’t really teaching the young people to open up and speak about natural things in life or personal things in life that they were struggling with. You know, because their parents were taught by their grandparents and so on and so on and so on. So I think the parents should really be taught as well. You know, because they don’t know what that young person is going on, what’s going on behind their backs. They still having to hide the fact that they want a quick cigarette somewhere or they’re delving into something more sinister. You know what I mean, or drinking or whatever.


Judy Caine [00:22:36] Did you ever find yourself in, because I run a youth club myself, and did you ever find yourself in a situation where a young person disclosed something to you that you thought, oh, dear, I need to talk to their parents or this this young person is at risk of harm. I need to take action. And how did you deal with that if that happened?


Cory Gray [00:23:02] Well, the best thing to do is to take them to one side. I remember taking one young lady to, we went, we have several areas where we could take that person. And I said, what, why are you crying? What’s wrong with you? And, and she says they keep pulling me school. I said have your told your parents about this and she said, no, because I don’t want to tell them because they might get the wrong idea. So, I said, why what, what do they say to you that makes you feel that way? And she said, they bully me because I’m either you thin one minute and then I’m too fat the next. And it really affects my sleeping. It affects my thinking. It affects everything. And I said, you know, I was bullied at school. I understand what you’re talking about. Day in, day out, everyday school. I was bullied. So I understand what it’s like to be bullied, you know, and being of a mixed race person, I was called all sorts of things, you know. And I didn’t really want to say the words, because it’s so offensive maybe to other people, I don’t know. But I understand being bullied. I understand what it’s like to be a person that was growing up without any parents. And I understand the fact that when you’re so young and their understandings, how they got pregnant so quickly when they were still, and they still hadn’t developed their own mind of what they wanted to do.


Judy Caine [00:24:42] What did she say to that?


Cory Gray [00:24:43] So I say, I used to say, you know, I do understand what you’re going through. It may not seem like it, but I pulled through it. This is what we’re trying to do with ‘Shout’. Pull, get up and do it. Feel the fear and do it anyway.


Judy Caine [00:25:01] Louisa M. Hay, yeah, good book.


Cory Gray [00:25:05] Yeah.


Judy Caine [00:25:05] Okay. So, what do you think about the ‘Shouting for 20 Years Project’. Why, why do you think it’s worth bothering to record everything you did and to, to keep it as an archive and preserve it for future generations? Why do you think that’s a good thing to do? Or maybe you don’t?


Cory Gray [00:25:23] Because it will make a big difference not only to the young people or whatever age they are. It’s also trying to teach the parents to to stop them from being embarrassed, if the child talks about whatever they wish to talk about to them.


Judy Caine [00:25:40] Yeah, cos you had some pretty hard-hitting subjects, didn’t you?


Cory Gray [00:25:43] Oh, definitely. That’s why we covered all these things.


Judy Caine [00:25:46] No holds barred really, bisexuality, teenage pregnancy, drugs, hitchhiking, I believe was one.


Cory Gray [00:25:56] Yep.


Judy Caine [00:25:56] I’ve heard some funny stories about hitchhiking. Interesting. And, I don’t know, I just wondered, do you have a favourite moment of your time with ‘Shout’? Is the one moment that really sticks out for you think, oh, gosh, that was amazing.


Cory Gray [00:26:16] Well, actually, I was just about to show you this, which we got from a young girl, which we don’t mention a name,


Judy Caine [00:26:23] of course,


Cory Gray [00:26:24] but I played the young girl and I was too old, but I had to hide behind this mask. Right. And it was called ‘Count Me In’. Because this girl had gone through so much. We thought we’d do a whole thing about the whole thing, about overdoses and things like that. I played a young girl at the time, which I wasn’t. You know, I don’t know how old I was.


Judy Caine [00:26:53] I’ll come to you. It’s OK you stay where you are and I’ll just come round here.


Cory Gray [00:26:57] And all the way through it I wore a mask, and a mask signifies the fact that all young people wear a mask.


Judy Caine [00:27:05] All people wear a mask.


Cory Gray [00:27:07] And people, old people as well, you know. And it’s about a girl, and that’s the mother, right? These are, the, we got these mannequins, right?


Judy Caine [00:27:21] What I’ll do, just for the tape? I will take a photograph of this and put it into the transcript. Didn’t do this as not enough battery left on phone. Showed me some images of the play.


Cory Gray [00:27:30] Paula played my mother, my bully, my friend and the idiosyncrasies that went on behind that man. So we prayed to this man and a really ugly face, but was so persuasive, and wanted to do all sorts of things, you know, to the child, the young girl, and couldn’t so. That was erm, I don’t know what that scene was, but we did it on, live at the stage of the theatre.


Judy Caine [00:28:05] At the Willows?


Cory Gray [00:28:05] and what we found was we thought we’d put this in, cos you know, like these toys that people play with. The father didn’t really like the mother, but she had two other siblings. And we found a box of toys that the father used to use on the mother. Right. We were so way ahead of time, I’m telling you that now, and then we found these things. And then that’s where she was being a bully, and that’s when we went out smoking, drinking, we went off school. I wore the mask all the way through there. Right. And we did, so we didn’t want to sort of visualize a particular face. But we want to go to all of this, but really there’s nothing in there, you know. And we played about with what we found in that box of toys. And it was the father that was abusing me, what I played the part in, and the mother refused to understand any of it. And which has happened.


Judy Caine [00:29:07] Why do you think this was such a successful play and why was it one of your favourite moments?


Cory Gray [00:29:12] Because I wished we could do it again because it hits some people like these, for God’s sake. Why can’t they fund us to do something again? And this is still going on. She is ridiculous in the play, in the play play, not us as people. Right. The mother ignored it. So that was the mother. And she’s the mother. The real mother. That was the siblings. And that was the active person behind of all what was happening. So the mother was an alcoholic, in the play. And er, and what I did at the end, and that’s I trust that very in the end right in this picture. But she told somebody else and that’s how we did it on stage.


Judy Caine [00:29:53] And what do you think that the young people got out of this?


Cory Gray [00:29:55] That’s the bully. She kicked me off the chair and things. People don’t understand, it’s still going on.


Judy Caine [00:30:02] What do you think the young people got out of this paticular thing?


Cory Gray [00:30:05] The thing is because, because we did this so many years ago, if we did this now, they would understand, they would understand and they’d understand the young people that they brought into the world. We we didn’t ask to be born. You know.


Judy Caine [00:30:24] I think one of the things Paula is doing for this project is all the plays that you did or 50 of them, she’s getting retyped so we can put all the plays or 50 of them in one book.


Cory Gray [00:30:37] That would be brilliant.


Judy Caine [00:30:38] So future generations can maybe perform them again.


Cory Gray [00:30:42] Yeah, and they would identify with every single thing we’ve done.


Judy Caine [00:30:45] Do you think that’s a bit sad that they can still identify with it?


Cory Gray [00:30:48] It’s not sad, it depends on how you see it. It’s sad that the people who have gone through it and are still going through it, you’d think the governments would do anything about it? No, they wont, you know. The parents are just as naive as the young people. So how do you how do you get this going quicker? You can’t because they’ve been taught what their parents, and so they bring this forward. And I often say to people, for God’s sake, why don’t you understand who you’ve got now, you know, instead of other people of the government’s sending rockets to the moon. They can’t even sort this Earth out. And they are sending rockets to the moon, you know.


Judy Caine [00:31:35] I think I should send you off to get the funding. Talking of funding, did you have to apply for funding for every different play you did?


Cory Gray [00:31:46] Yeah.


Judy Caine [00:31:47] Did you get involved in that or was that mainly Paula?


Cory Gray [00:31:50] No, Paula did all of that, I’m no good at that.


Judy Caine [00:31:50] You can’t be good at everything.


Cory Gray [00:31:51] I’m alright with the props and the makeup in the hair and everything else. You know. It’s so funny, when we did this play, it was based on a true story.


Judy Caine [00:32:02] This is the one, just remind me of the play’s name?


Cory Gray [00:32:05] Yeah, definitely based on a true story.


Judy Caine [00:32:06] Count Me In.


Cory Gray [00:32:08] Yeah. Count Me In. We performed it in different theatres. And er yeah.


Judy Caine [00:32:12] Is that a programme? Can I just have a look at the programme?


Cory Gray [00:32:18] Yeah.


Judy Caine [00:32:19] Yeah. Thank you. ‘Count Me In’ … not the census. So which year was this?


Cory Gray [00:32:27] Well, while I was killing myself with vodka and a load of pills. And we put music behind different things, you know. You remember that song (sings) “when the day is gone, it’s night, all alone, hold on”.


Judy Caine [00:32:48] Yeah, yes I do.


Cory Gray [00:32:53] Yeah. It was sad, so I end up killing myself with a load of vodka and a load of tablets in it. But I went to sleep. I wasn’t violently beaten by my views of who was my father in the play. Well, it wasn’t a father, we had to.


Judy Caine [00:33:10] Yeah, no I understand.


Cory Gray [00:33:11] We had to make people think about what?


Judy Caine [00:33:15] Yes.


Cory Gray [00:33:16] It seems so sad because it still happens to this day and it’s getting worse now because of this Coronavirus business. And it’s such a shame.


Judy Caine [00:33:25] Yeah, maybe that’s erm,


Cory Gray [00:33:27] You know, they’re beating up the kids and, you know, just they can’t cope with part of them. They go out on this fantasy trail you see. You see that one …


Judy Caine [00:33:39] … no, I’ll look at it when we finish this, because this means nothing, if I’ve got to transcribe this and you say, have you seen that one? It doesn’t really…


Cory Gray [00:33:47] Have you seen that one.


Judy Caine [00:33:48] Yes I have … it doesn’t really work on the audio tape, does it?


Cory Gray [00:33:51] I mean we were so you’re so limited to funding. So we had to make do with what we had. Yeah. You know.


Judy Caine [00:33:58] So what would you like to see if someone said to you what would you like to see for ‘Shout’ in the future? What would you say to them?


Cory Gray [00:34:04] I’d like to see, people who have gone through it, get them to act now and also to get the parents to come along. And understand what happens behind the peep, their children’s minds and thoughts waves and things. When to speak, when not to speak. The fear of anxiety. Should I say I’m gay or I’m not gay? You know, things like that.


Judy Caine [00:34:37] Because a lot of these young people that you had in shout are now parents themselves.


Cory Gray [00:34:42] Yes.


Judy Caine [00:34:42] Some of them have gone on to be teachers.


Cory Gray [00:34:45] Yeah.


Judy Caine [00:34:46] Which is remarkable. I mean, I don’t know, maybe some of them would start ‘Shout’ up again for the next generation.


Cory Gray [00:34:55] We need ‘Shout’ for a next, for adults as well.


Judy Caine [00:35:00] ‘Shout’ for adults?


Cory Gray [00:35:01] Yes, because they have got problems as well as the parents who brought them up. So we’re seeing like the 20th century children who are now. But we did it 20 years ago.


Judy Caine [00:35:15] It’s, it’s remarkable.


Cory Gray [00:35:17] We should, we should, they should fund this because it’s education. And no government’s going to give you it.


Judy Caine [00:35:24] Who’s they?


Cory Gray [00:35:24] It’s not about pencils and paper.


Judy Caine [00:35:24] Who’s the ‘they’ you think that should fund this?


Cory Gray [00:35:29] Well, whoever’s got some money that doesn’t want to waste it. And they learn something from what is being shown to them. Do you know, we even taught people how to communicate. That was another big factor in it. They didn’t have an idea how to communicate with other people. You know, including the doctors and the nurses, if they were getting pregnant at an early stage. I saw something in papers or somewhere else, which it doesn’t, doesn’t faze me at all. There was a young girl who was 13 and there was a boy who was 10.That 13 year old girl got pregnant by a boy of 10. Honestly, and if you think, if anybody thinks out there that the parents know everything about what’s happening sexually with their children, they know more about sex now than ever they did. And we proved that when we researched it and researched it.


Judy Caine [00:36:34] I love your passion. I really love your passion.


Cory Gray [00:36:38] Thank you.


Judy Caine [00:36:38] I really admire that. I just think it’s amazing. Yourself, Paula and Sami.


Cory Gray [00:36:44] Yes.


Judy Caine [00:36:45] You are just three amazing women. You really are. You should be very, very proud of what you’ve achieved. You really should. We’ve covered quite a lot. Is there anything else I haven’t asked you about that you would like to say for the record about ‘Shout’ and your involvement?


Cory Gray [00:37:05] I really feel that, erm, if there’s going to be a next generation after the ones we taught things to, it really needs to be done soon. You know, so they don’t make the same mistakes in the future. Because we’re all moving forward now to the phones and all the technology. Technology is just all blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. But communicating skills are still terrible and they’ve got to learn to listen.


Judy Caine [00:37:38] Yes, everything’s very quick these days, isn’t it? You fire it of on a…


Cory Gray [00:37:40] Yeah, they’ve got to listen, they’re on their phones 24/7. You know, what they don’t realizse that’s giving you radiation as well. On your computer and God knows what they can get on their, you know, all that, all the sad things they put on there and they hook people into them, you know? And now it’s late in the 20th century’s technology age of whatever.


Judy Caine [00:38:07] They could be 2 new ‘Shout’ plays actually ‘Fake News’ that would be one and ‘Cyber-bullying’. That could be another.


Cory Gray [00:38:14] Yeah.

Judy Caine [00:38:14] There you go Paula, Sami, 2 new plays. Get on it.


[00:38:20] That’s lovely. Thank you very, very much indeed.


Cory Gray [00:38:23] Thank you very much. I hope it works. I hope I haven’t said anything that didn’t catch on there (pointing to microphone) or whatever.


Judy Caine [00:38:30] Don’t worry about that. That’s my problem. It’s been really fascinating talking to you, Cory. Thank you very much.


Cory Gray [00:38:36] Thank you.


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