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Gary Doherty

‘Shouting for 20 Years’ Interview with Judy Caine – 21st October 2020

 

Judy Caine [00:00:02] OK, we’re recording.

 

Gary Doherty [00:00:03] Yeah.

 

Judy Caine [00:00:04] Hey, this is Judy Caine. It is, it’s Wednesday, the 21st of October 2020. And I’m here with another former member of Shout, Gary, who is going to tell me all about his involvement, his shout, how, when, why he got involved, what it’s meant to him over the years. So just to kick off Gary, could you start by giving me your full name and your age, please?

 

Gary Doherty [00:00:29] It’s Gary Doherty and I’m 35.

 

Judy Caine [00:00:35] 17th of the 1st, of January, 1987. Okay, great. Could you just tilt your phone down a bit. I can see your eyes and it’s just really … that’s better. I don’t hear too well in this ear and if I can lip read as well, it  really helps me.

 

Gary Doherty [00:00:49] No problem.

 

Judy Caine [00:00:50] Thank you. That’s brilliant. Okay. Gary, first of all, I understand from Paula that you’ve been a real mainstay of ‘Shout’. You were chair for many, many years. Can you tell me when and why you first got involved in Shout Youth Theatre?

 

Gary Doherty [00:01:12] I got involved, not long after it started. There was a group of us from school that started and I wanted to be able to lie better to be a politician. So, my friend Laura, she liked acting and that, Chris, he was quite into it as well and Sean and Helen, they were part of the group,  they kind of went because everybody else was going.

 

Judy Caine [00:01:49] Was this from Lodge Park?

 

Gary Doherty [00:01:49]  No, we went, me and Laura went to Popey and the other three went to Kingswood. But we all grew up on the same estate.

 

Judy Caine [00:02:01] Was that the Kingswood Estate.

 

Gary Doherty [00:02:03] No that was actually the Greenhill Rise Estate, we were there just before the main influx from the Kingswood lot.

 

Judy Caine [00:02:11] Okay. And so what was your first play? What was the first play you were involved in?

 

Gary Doherty [00:02:25] I’ve been involved in a lot of them. The very first one. I’m not exactly sure, because when all we first started, we used to record the actual sessions and feedback and we used to record lots of things and they were just used for different bits and bobs. The first main thing I can remember doing is probably the Boys Talk because that stands out because that’s the first time we ever filmed out of the Labour Club.

 

Judy Caine [00:02:55] OK, Boys Talk isn’t a play that anyone’s told me about so far. Tell me about Boys Talk. What was that about and what was your role in it?

 

Gary Doherty [00:03:03] Boys Talk was a sex education play we done and I became in under age dad. And we got it from the point of view of the guys …

 

Judy Caine [00:03:22] Gary have you got a radio on in the background.

 

Gary Doherty [00:03:24] Oh, it’s the TV. Can mute that, hold on (mutes TV), there you go

 

Judy Caine [00:03:26] Ah, I can hear you better now. Right, okay. So you were telling me about Boys Talk, it was a sex ed play, first time you’d filmed it, carry, carry on again.

 

Gary Doherty [00:03:40] We done it from the boys point of view of it, hence the name.

 

Judy Caine [00:03:42] And you were an under age dad.

 

Gary Doherty [00:03:46] Yep.

 

Judy Caine [00:03:47] How underage is under age.

 

Gary Doherty [00:03:51] I think I was 13, 14.

 

Judy Caine [00:03:57] What sort of research did you have to do for that.

 

Gary Doherty [00:04:00] Well, we remember looking at books and what, the thing was is, because we were a Catholic school, we didn’t have sex education.

 

Judy Caine [00:04:14] You didn’t have any sex ed at all?

 

Gary Doherty [00:04:16] No, because I went for a Catholic school.

 

Judy Caine [00:04:18] Wow. I didn’t realise that.

 

Gary Doherty [00:04:19] They didn’t do it. So we had a time when he told you it was wrong and not to get messed up. But never told you anything, how it happens or consequences of it or anything like that.

 

Judy Caine [00:04:32] So was it quite a difficult subject for you to talk about then? What was it like?

 

Gary Doherty [00:04:40] Well, the group at that point were all quite clicking and quite close. So it was quite easy for us all to talk. So it was quite an easy, one to research, and a lot of it was done by the jokin facts of most of the guys. When we first started doing the sex ed topic, we were going along lines of we were taking the piss a lot. And that’s how it developed into that side of it. Because it’s all like, oh, yeah, we’d be like totally amazed and we’d know everything. But it turns out, you know, you don’t actually have a single clue.

 

Judy Caine [00:05:18] So how did you do your research? Did you actually find an underage dad and speak to him?

 

Gary Doherty [00:05:24] We found a few. And we we’d knew like people that had had kids come and spoke to the group, told us about it. There was an old teacher that done science who come in and he met with us and then we done self research where we found information. Not always totally factual information, which then we have to decide our own opinions, like if we thought the information we were using was right. Everything like that as well. And then we all got to put in what we actually think.

 

Judy Caine [00:06:04] And how did the play, how was the play received? Where did you perform it? What do people think about it?

 

Gary Doherty [00:06:11] We done that one onto videos.

 

Judy Caine [00:06:13] So it’s purely on film. There wasn’t a performance of it?

 

Gary Doherty [00:06:16] Well, you know, it went into one of the local schools, pretty sure it was Kingswood used it as part of their sex education lessons.

 

Judy Caine [00:06:28] And how did that make you feel that you were actually helping other young people understand a very important subject?

 

Gary Doherty [00:06:37] At the time, I didn’t actually think about it like that, I just liked the fact that I got to do it and that it was me and my friends, and we just had fun.

 

Judy Caine [00:06:47] Is that what kept you going back to Shout, the fun?

 

Gary Doherty [00:06:50] Yeah. I would say so, it was one of those times where you could be anybody you actually wanted or anything you actually wanted.

 

Judy Caine [00:07:02] Could you be yourself as well?

 

Gary Doherty [00:07:06] You could actually always be yourself. But it was more fun to be someone else. I think that’s why I was attracted to drama.

 

Judy Caine [00:07:12] Including the lying politician – hmm!

 

Gary Doherty [00:07:15] Yeah, well, I kind of ended up doing that sort of role a lot.

 

Judy Caine [00:07:21] You look too honest to be a lying politician.

 

Gary Doherty [00:07:25] That’s what made me so good at it.

 

Judy Caine [00:07:28] Who’s that laughing, and why are they laughing?

 

Gary Doherty [00:07:29] Danielle.

 

Dani [00:07:30] It’s Dani.

 

Judy Caine [00:07:32] Dani, don’t you dare put him off. This is supposed to be a one on one interview with no holds barred.

 

Dani [00:07:42] Sorry.

 

Judy Caine [00:07:42] (Laughs) No you’re not!

 

Gary Doherty [00:07:47] I did actually like playing the characters where you could use other people’s opinions and you have to find out why they thought like that.

 

[00:08:02] So in your mind, you’d look at not just the fact that their views weren’t right, but why would they think they were right? And where are people getting misconceptions for it,  which was good. We were given more than one side to the bits that we worked on. We were never told this was your information, this is right, this is wrong. It was this is the information, how do you see it? Which we kind of liked that because it made us feel a bit more grown up and, a bit more involved when I was getting told we wanted to do this, this is the information you got do it. It’s how do you think the best way of showing this information is? And do you agree with it?

 

Judy Caine [00:08:49] So what age were you when you actually joined Shout? You said it was at the beginning so that was what, 98 ish?

 

Gary Doherty [00:08:56] I was 13 when I first started.

 

Judy Caine [00:08:59] OK. Was it, was that in 1998?

 

Gary Doherty [00:09:02] No, I think actually in 1999.

 

Judy Caine [00:09:05] 99, yes. You were born in 76. Yes, so that would. Yeah.

 

Gary Doherty [00:09:09] Yeah.

 

Judy Caine [00:09:09] I can do maths sometimes honestly on a good day.

 

[00:09:12] So did you feel you were ever typecast or what were the main sort roles you played?

 

Gary Doherty [00:09:20] I played game show hosts roles and politician roles. I wouldn’t say I was typecasted. I like those sort of characters because I could put a side of me into them that normally you try and suppress where you want to win arguments and that, but, you know, you’re meant to be being nice. But when in those sort of rules, it’s kind of your way was right.

 

Judy Caine [00:09:51] Right, OK. How did that make the rest of the group feel?

 

Gary Doherty [00:09:58] Well, we were always quiet opinionated group which was quite good. It never did sound like we were good at having discussions because obviously we had the circle dynamic, but we would all talk over each other. But eventually, everybody was heard.

 

Judy Caine [00:10:17] OK. I’ve got a note here one, one play in particular, Foreigners Bloody Foreigners. You played Mick Griffiths, and arest all the younger lads. I understand that was quite a controversial play and there was quite a bit of bother around it. Can you tell me more?

 

Gary Doherty [00:10:36] Well, with that one, there was quite a few people that didn’t like our opinion.

 

Judy Caine [00:10:43] Who and why?

 

Gary Doherty [00:10:44] Well, the BNP party didn’t like the way we portrayed them because we basically portrayed them as a very left, right wing racists, party and me as the head of them, what I got, some of the things I was saying in it were quite blunt. So, at the start of that play, the one thing I remember is as people were coming in, we were actually telling them where they were allowed to sit, to do with their nationality. And we were actually splitting families up as well if they weren’t the same nationality. And we were given them like a passport as a ticket. And I know there was a few opinions of the way it was portrayed across it, but considered very interpretated. I remember it.

 

Judy Caine [00:11:48] I’m being a bit thick here, I don’t understand what you mean, try it again.

 

Gary Doherty [00:11:53] Well, the speech I’d done as the politician.

 

Judy Caine [00:11:57] Yeah. The BNP.

 

Gary Doherty [00:11:59]  Yeah. That was quite harshly done. The game show bit through it basically was a rigged game show that if you weren’t English, you couldn’t win.

 

Judy Caine [00:12:17] Okay. And where there actual members of the BNP in the audience.

 

Gary Doherty [00:12:24] I think there was and there was some damage done to one of the toilets.

 

Judy Caine [00:12:29] Right. Yeah, I heard about that.

 

Gary Doherty [00:12:32] If I remember correctly,yeah.

 

Judy Caine [00:12:34] Do you think, looking back, the play was worth doing? Do you think it was understood correctly eventually the fact that you weren’t against the foreigners you were, because a lot of people misunderstood it, didn’t they?

 

Gary Doherty [00:12:46] Yeah. I think, I think as the play progressed through and they seen the different points of view, it would have been interpreted the way it should be interpreted. I think it was a really good way of putting it across, how not just one person would see in this situation. Because obviously, racism isn’t just one sided at all. Anyway, across it.

 

Judy Caine [00:13:17] Hmm. Sounds like it was quite tough, actually, not just that particular play, but generally having to go in and look at really hard hitting subjects and then research it, and then create a play. It doesn’t sound like it was an easy ride, if you like. I mean, what made you keep going back week after week after week?

 

Gary Doherty [00:13:41] It was isn’t it’s not actually as bad as it sounds. There was a lot of fun times and a lot of good laughs. And, a lot of the plays, if you watched them being constructed, wasn’t how it looked when it come across on the night, though, you’d see the fact that we could make sense of it.

 

[00:14:08] A lot of it was made through comedy. There was quite a few that, in the group, that kind of had a sense of being able to speak before they thought. And we got some brilliant lines that way from it. And I don’t think we didn’t tackle it. The thing was, there was, you had your friends there tackling the same thing with you. So you had that support network. So it didn’t feel like it was a hard thing to do.

 

Judy Caine [00:14:45] Hmm, you were there from when you were 13. How long did you stay with the group for Gary?

 

Gary Doherty [00:14:53] I was there, between 13 and 16. Then I left at 16, when I started working and everything. I got a house, a girlfriend, and kind of drifted away. And most of the ones that were in my time drifted away at that point as well. And the group kind of went through a change. And then I came back when I was about,18,19 and we were doing,I started helping with running like the group, giving an older perspective, and a point of view and, I come back and done like the risk assessments for the space and bits, like that, because I’d learn a bit about that in my job and that. And it looked good. And then I joined this committee bit and became the chair, which we currently done, and we done that way for about a year and a bit, and then we decided to try to do an adult group. But the adult group didn’t kind of work as well. So then we amalgamated the adult group and the youth group together and just became one Shout group. And then it kind of just slowly drifted down as youth clubs become less popular and people’s lives got busy.

 

Judy Caine [00:16:33] Yeah. Why do you think youth clubs did become less popular? Because I’m in, I mean, I run a youth club myself and it goes sometimes we have lots of kids and then we have a lot less, then up then down. But now there seems to be a lot less youth clubs around than they used to be. Why do you think that is?

 

Gary Doherty [00:16:49] Well, I would say it’s, because everything’s so more accessible now with the internet and things like that. And all the social media platforms that have actually stopped people being sociable because.

 

Judy Caine [00:17:02] Ironic, isn’t it, Social media has stopped people being sociable!

 

Gary Doherty [00:17:05] Well, I can remember being younger, and my friends would ring the house phone and I’d sit at the top of the stairs and it would be my friend’s mum on the phone to my mum and we would be, I would be at the top of the stairs waiting till they said we were allowed to go see each other. But then, now they can just get hold of each other. It’s like yous can talk all the time on the computer games. They don’t have to actually go out to a club to interact with each other anymore.

 

Judy Caine [00:17:41] So, do you think the role for a Shout Theatre Group is now dead- is there still a need for a Shout Theatre Group?

 

Gary Doherty [00:17:53] I’d like to say there is, but it would be specific types of clicks that would go to it. I don’t think it would survive in a town anymore. It would have to be in a city environment, at least because there’s not the number of different people from different areas that would have the same common interests.

 

Judy Caine [00:18:17] So in Shout in Corby, did you have many young people from the town centre or did they come from the villages or where?

 

Gary Doherty [00:18:23] It was mainly from the town centre, but it would be like, when I was there, my friendship group in Shout was all out of different schools, so I wouldn’t have seen them during the week. I would’ve only seen them when we done Shout projects.

 

Judy Caine [00:18:43] And why was that good? Well, maybe it wasn’t good. I don’t know. You tell me.

 

Gary Doherty [00:18:48] Well, it was good on the fact that it gave us more. Like when we were together, we wanted to actually do something with our time that was constructive and worthwhile. And then obviously there was a lot more messing about and that as well, sometimes it would have been hard for them, for them to get us to actually look at a topic properly. I can think of one or two sessions we may have done where we were meant to be devising plays and we were sat chattering. And then when it came time to show we’d throw something together and hope we got away with it.

 

Judy Caine [00:19:29] I bet Paula knew, I bet you only just got away with it.

 

Gary Doherty [00:19:35] I think there was a lot of times we didn’t technically get away with it.

 

Judy Caine [00:19:38] OK, fair enough.

 

Gary Doherty [00:19:44] I do think though, it also happens with like the foul ups and that as well. So like if people were into acting and that. I think when I was younger it was bigger than what it is now. Because anybody can be a star now on YouTube. All you have to do is take a picture when you Instagram, you YouTube, and that’s it. Before we didn’t have any of that. So, when we filmed this stuff, it was pretty cool.

 

Judy Caine [00:20:13] It made you feel really so special. I don’t mean that in ‘special’. I mean, it made you feel good.

 

Gary Doherty [00:20:19] It made us feel special. Yeah. But, I think now people can just meet up and we’ve got cameras and all our phones and everything. So.

 

Judy Caine [00:20:28] Yeah, yeah. I know what you’re saying. Do you think being in Shout had a positive impact on your life after you left Shout? What did you take from Shout as a young person? What did it give to you?

 

Gary Doherty [00:20:49] I would say Shout had a brillian impact on me.

 

Judy Caine [00:20:49] Yeah, in what way?

 

Gary Doherty [00:20:53] Well. I met my first girlfriend through a show, one of the Shout eyes. And then we ended up getting a house together and everything. And we had a lot of good experiences. Then we had a break-up and a lot of other xperiences. Shout showed me how to appear confident in situations even when I weren’t feeling confident, which is great in the workplace.

 

Judy Caine [00:21:24] Yes. And for being a politician.

 

Gary Doherty [00:21:28] Yeah.

 

Judy Caine [00:21:30] Bullshit baffles brains.

 

Gary Doherty [00:21:32] Yeah. And Shout, I guess the main point, Shout actually taught me, my opinion does matter and I should say it regardless whether I think someone’s going to listen to me or not. And it did teach me I can shout a lot louder than most people so they don’t have a choice but to listen.

 

Judy Caine [00:21:48] So they don’t have what sorry?

 

Gary Doherty [00:21:50] They don’t have a choice but to listen to me.

 

Judy Caine [00:21:52] Ah yes, he who shouts loudes gets heard! Yes, I get that. Do you think, do you have a favourite play?

 

Gary Doherty [00:22:04] I dunno. Erm

 

Judy Caine [00:22:09] It’s OK if not, I just wondered.

 

Gary Doherty [00:22:17] I don’t have a favourite. Lots of plays I liked for various reasons or bits we done.

 

Judy Caine [00:22:27] Now tell me a couple of those, if you’re happy, too.

 

Gary Doherty [00:22:30] Yeah. I played speed, that was quite funny. The actual drug. In a play that was cool. We turned speed into an actual person. That was a drugs conference we’ve done at the Mask Theatre in Kettering. That one was really cool. I enjoyed that. I enjoyed the stuff we done with the social workers. That was really interesting.

 

Judy Caine [00:23:05] What was that play called?

 

Gary Doherty [00:23:08] I don’t think we’ve done a play from the social workers. But what we’ve done is we actually devised characters and then we went, we went and met trainee social workers. And they were trying to do what they would do when they met someone. That was really interesting, and that made us feel like we were actually helping them progress as well.

 

[00:23:46] Erm, I like the whole improvising thing and something like the game. I used to like splat. Splat was probably the best part about Shout.

 

Judy Caine [00:23:55] What is splat?

 

Gary Doherty [00:23:57] Splatt was a warm up game. We’d stand in a circle and then somone would be in the middle and they’d spin around to go splat. And if they pointed at you, you have to duck. And the person either side of yous had to try and splat each other. And the slowest one was out. And then it’d come down to 2 people and you pick a random word and then they would go back to back and pace away from each other until they hear that word then turn and splat. And the fastest gun won.

 

Judy Caine [00:24:27] Sounds like a lot of fun. Do you think the issue’s, the plays that you’ve created in Shout are relevant today? Like would it still be worth showing the films that you made, would kids now get anything out of it? Or has there, has the sort of bar moved?

 

Gary Doherty [00:24:51] They would still be relevant because more information is always better than not enough information. But, as the delivery way we’ve done it with Shout, I don’t know if that would work for now. But the things with like racism and bullying, teenage pregnancy, drugs,they’re always going to be there. But they’re going to change. So the drugs we would have done the play’s about aren’t the same drugs that would be, the drugs that people are looking at now. And like racism, as long as you have people that are ignorant or selfish, greedy or need someone to blame for something that’s not go right for them. We’re going to have that as an issue.

 

Judy Caine [00:25:59] And I guess bullying, you still get bullying, but maybe you didn’t get cyber bullying when you were doing this? I don’t know, was there cyber bullying when you were doing your bullying plays.

 

Gary Doherty [00:26:11] Oh there may have been, but no one could have cyber bullyed me I can’t work any of it so I’m fine.

 

Judy Caine [00:26:13] (Laughs) Blissful ignorance eh, Okay. Fair enough.

 

Gary Doherty [00:26:18] Yeah, well.

 

Judy Caine [00:26:20] Okay. What sort of impact do you think the Shout plays had on the audiences? Did it have the impact you thought you would have on them?

 

Gary Doherty [00:26:33] I reckon it did.

 

Judy Caine [00:26:35] Yeah, in what way?

 

Gary Doherty [00:26:35] Well, with regards to like Foreigners Bloody Foreigners that opened up a lot of people’s eyes to the fact that as a town, Corby was never a very diverse town when I was growing up. So, racism wasn’t huge. It was there, but it was something that a lot of me and my friends never actually thought about because it wasn’t happening to us. And doing that opened up my eyes to, wow, that’s really crappy that people could treat someone like that. So bringing things to the forefron, is always a good idea. And let’s be honest, when you’ve got kids doing it, it’s harder to ignore than when you have an adult doing it, which was one of Shouts main points.

 

[00:27:46] Because we were all quite young and we were bringing these things forward. People like, oh, maybe we should be thinking about this and let’s not because it is affecting the future.

 

Judy Caine [00:27:55] So the kids we teach and the adults.

 

Gary Doherty [00:27:58] Yeah.

 

Judy Caine [00:27:59] That’s always interesting. Can I just take you back a second to when you were chair.

 

Gary Doherty [00:28:03] Yeah.

 

Judy Caine [00:28:04] Being chair of something like a youth theatre is quite a responsibility, and I’m just wondering what your, what the hardest thing, what the hardest thing was you had to do as chair? I mean, did you ever have to discipline any of the management team? Did you have to discipline Paula, for instance, because she was sort of.

 

Gary Doherty [00:28:26] Yes.

 

Judy Caine [00:28:27] Clearly you did okay. Right. Okay. Tell me more, what happened?

 

Gary Doherty [00:28:32] We had a very, um, interesting talk about hitchhiking.

 

Judy Caine [00:28:38] Yeah.

 

Gary Doherty [00:28:40] When, we come across the topic and the way she explained it is, it sounded more like she was saying you should try it and that. And there was no thing about the danger in that so we did have say to Paula about that one in that you can’t be doing that.

 

Judy Caine [00:29:03] How did that go down?

 

Gary Doherty [00:29:07] Well, she listened and she apologised to the group the following week, and she had to explain what she actually meant properly.

 

Judy Caine [00:29:16] Well, that was good. That was good, you felt as a young person in the group, you could actually, I don’t know if she thought of herself as a leader, but you could say to the group leader, look, look, hey, you know, this is our group and we’re a bit concerned, and that was really good that you felt you could do that.

 

Gary Doherty [00:29:32] Yeah. I did stop the Shout group for a while, because the members went to being non-existent. So it was stopped for a while, between the concept of setting up the adult group and then the non age group, we had to do that. And then when it come to the end, to stop doing the actual Tuesday night meetings it was me that said that at that point when it was.

 

Judy Caine [00:30:05] So what year was that?

 

Gary Doherty [00:30:10] Twenty, sixteen ish.

 

Judy Caine [00:30:12] So it was quite near the end because it actually officially sort of stopped in 2018, didn’t it after 20 years, I think, 1998 to 2018? Hence the name Shouting for 20 years. Okay. So what do you think of the Shouting for 20 Years project? Why is it worth doing the Shouting for 20 Years project and looking back?

 

Gary Doherty [00:30:41] Because thinking about it, Shout had an impact on the whole town, because we performed. A few times in a Labour Club, we’ve performed in the Ark, we performed in the old theatre.

 

Judy Caine [00:30:53] Of the Willows.

 

Gary Doherty [00:31:01] The Willows, yeah. We, we were known for all the skills in Corby, most of the skills in Kettering as well. We’ve performed at major conferences. We were actually an entity within the community.

 

Judy Caine [00:31:30] So did you get a certain sense of pride in being part of that?

 

Gary Doherty [00:31:35] Yeah.

 

Judy Caine [00:31:40] That’s really nice. So, Shouting for 20 years, what do you want to get out of it, what would you like to see is the end product? I know that we’re putting together a book of all the plays in one place and that’s going to be archived. Doing this retrospective play that you’ve been involved in. And an exhibition going to be done. What do you hope?

 

Gary Doherty [00:32:03] Well, I really wanted to see how of it is the different people come back and where it got to what they’ve done, more than actually put the big together. In fact, it sounds bad.

 

Judy Caine [00:32:17] No, it doesn’t.

 

Gary Doherty [00:32:19] It was more that whole, I remember when we were daft enough to do this. Would you still do that? No. And see what other people got from what we done. Like, I would never had the confidence to go on and try this if I weren’t in Shout. Or I think Shout stopped us from moving away or something like that, you know? Just find out other people’s points of view. I thought that was the best bit was gonna come out of this to be honest.

 

[00:32:59] I think the end product could be nice. And when we do a play together. And that, because some of us have an act together for a while and that and to see if, like, we can still bounce off each other like, if someone slips a line that shouldn’t be there. Because I guarantee someone is going to say something in the play that wasn’t written down or something and someone’s gonna have to go er, yeah, yeah.

 

Judy Caine [00:33:24] And improvise. So do you think if you hadn’t have gone to Shout, you’d have followed the same life path that you’re on now?

 

Gary Doherty [00:33:36] Erm, I don’t actually know because, I don’t think I would have tried to go to college or anything if it weren’t for Shout.

 

Judy Caine [00:33:53] Really, that’s pretty dramatic.

 

Gary Doherty [00:33:53] I think I just would of went into doing factory work instead of going to college and everything first.

 

Judy Caine [00:34:02] What did you do at college?

 

Gary Doherty [00:34:03] I done electronics, which has nothing to do with what I do now, but. It gave me the time to think of what I wanted to do, more. I would have just went straight into a factory job. And then I would have never worked at Iceland or moved to RS or that.

 

Judy Caine [00:34:27] Is that what you do now, do you work at RS now?

 

Gary Doherty [00:34:29] Yeah, I work in security at RS now.

 

Judy Caine [00:34:31] OK.

 

Gary Doherty [00:34:34]  I would never have bought my first house and had that experience and everything the way that happened, because I would never have met my ex if it, if it wasn’t for Shout. I wouldn’t think.

 

Judy Caine [00:34:55] Ah, that’s interesting.

 

Gary Doherty [00:34:57] And I wonder if some of my friendships would be forged the same way they were.

 

Judy Caine [00:35:02] Are you still in touch with many people from Shout?

 

Gary Doherty [00:35:04] Well, yes.

 

Judy Caine [00:35:07] Apart from Dani, hi Dani,.

 

Dani [00:35:07] Hi.

 

Gary Doherty [00:35:07] Well Tim, he was my best friend through school. I don’t think we would have been best friends in school if we didn’t both come to Shout. Because our friendship started quite volatile through school. Then you had Lucy and Lindsey and Matt. They all went to the CTC. So if they did’t go through Shout, I wouldn’t mix with them.

 

Judy Caine [00:35:37] Your brother was in Shout as well I think, wasn’t he?

 

Gary Doherty [00:35:40] That was my big brother.

 

Judy Caine [00:35:42] Was that Lee? I remember meeting a few of you at the reunion and my brain was in overdrive trying to remember. Who’s this? Who’s that? Because I’d never met you.

 

Gary Doherty [00:35:52] I don’t think me and Lee would be as close as we are, because we always had that as a common interest and we’ve always had, so we walk down to that together.

 

Judy Caine [00:36:07] Was there any brotherly rivalry?

 

Gary Doherty [00:36:09] Oh, no. He tried to addle me, I just than him. I don’t think he would let me away with a lot of my crap, either if it wasn’t for Shout. Yeah, because like, I don’t think me and Lee would be as close as we were because it was quite nice, like we’d walk down there together, then we probably wouldn’t even work with each other throughout the sessions and that. But then when we done the leadershi bit at the end of it, we’d all stop, have a drink and talk about how we thought it went and that. That was quite cool because we felt quite grown up.

 

Judy Caine [00:36:50] Hhmm, what, just giving each other feedback?

 

Gary Doherty [00:36:53] Yeah, I’m talking about what we thought they’d done and what bits could go forward if we were onto a project. And we’d work out, we’d actually probably argue about the information like which was always quite good because, there wasn’t a lot of agreeing with one another. Which was always handy?

 

Judy Caine [00:37:20] Which was always what?

 

Gary Doherty [00:37:20] Always handy. It was always nice to have more than one point of view.

 

Judy Caine [00:37:27] Yeah, yeah. Sounds it.

 

Gary Doherty [00:37:33] But I think Shout was the best way for me to go for it, and that, I don’t regret any of my time with Shout, right.

 

Judy Caine [00:37:42] Good. I mean, looking towards the future, erm, would you like to see the group reform for the next generation, or do you think it’s a non-starter with social media and kids just wouldn’t come. You mentioned it would work in a city, but you didn’t think it would work here.

 

Gary Doherty [00:38:02] I think Shout would be great if it could get restarted for the next generation and they would be able to do it. But they would have to do it their way. They would have to find their own format with it. I think.

 

Judy Caine [00:38:22] Could be online, couldn’t it? Or would it work online? Would it work online?

 

Gary Doherty [00:38:28] I don’t think it would work online.

 

Judy Caine [00:38:33] Why?

 

Gary Doherty [00:38:33]  I don’t know. It just, it doesn’t have that connexion. Chatting to someone online isn’t the same as having them there, and being able to say, if you do this, then this can happen. Plus, if you …

 

Judy Caine [00:38:55] Body language is difficult as well, isn’t it? I mean, I tend to sit, I’m normally not this low actually, I tend to sit when I’m talking to people about that high, so you can sort of see a bit of body language. But my office is a mess at the moment, so we’re not doing that (both laugh). But you know, body language, I think online is very difficult because you can’t I mean, I can see from your top lip to here parts of your body and body language is something very important, especially when you’re trying to devise anything in drama. I mean, I talk with my hands all the time. I know I’m always doing this. So, yeah, it’s it’s difficult.

 

[00:39:34] Okay. What haven’t I asked you about that you’d like to tell me about Gary?

 

Gary Doherty [00:39:40] Well I’m not sure how parents would takeShout’s set up now.

 

Judy Caine [00:39:45] OK. Tell me more.

 

Gary Doherty [00:39:47] Well, what was brilliant about Shout is when we were doing a production and I was grounded, Paula would have to ring my mum, and have a nice conversation with my mum about how important it is to the production and what my specific part is, and how pivotal it could be at times.

 

Judy Caine [00:40:21] And how in not letting you go, you’d be letting the other kids down and blah, blah, and all that sort of stuff.

 

Gary Doherty [00:40:26] Yeah.

 

Judy Caine [00:40:26] So why don’t you think parents could cope with that today?

 

Gary Doherty [00:40:33] No, I didn’t say they couldn’t cope with it. I just didn’t know how they would feel about it because there was times where we come out with schools and we went to conferences and we done bits. And now there’s all these new rules about shools and that. And I’m pretty sure if we went into school, a school today and done one or two of our scripts, the schools would be a bit, erm, shouldn’t they, should we really be showing that part of it? should this bit be allowed to be said that way?

 

Judy Caine [00:41:08] Yeah. Political correctness gone mad you mean?

 

Gary Doherty [00:41:12] Yeah.

 

Judy Caine [00:41:14] I know what I wanted to ask you about. ASDA! Were you involved in the ASDA incident?

 

Gary Doherty [00:41:22] No.

 

Judy Caine [00:41:22] No, OK, fine.

 

Gary Doherty [00:41:25] I wasn’t involved in it, but, that come up. I was involved in the after part of it.

 

Judy Caine [00:41:31] Go on then, tell me what happened. All I know is that you did a sort of theatre bombing thing where a brother and a sister pretended to be a couple and the guy, they had an arguement and the guy hit the woman and two guys leapt over the counter, grabbed him and sort of pinned him against the wall. I mean, did ASDA know you were doing this by any chance?

 

Gary Doherty [00:41:56] Yeah, ASDA knew it was happening. Customers went to never fight! The way they set it up wasn’t done well. We’d done something similar before where the actors were all inside a shop and they couldn’t be touched. And we had the world’s most horrible mask. And this mask keeps coming back up. Pretty sure you must have seen it.

 

Judy Caine [00:42:24] Yeah, I’ve seen the mask.

 

Gary Doherty [00:42:28] But, I think that one, we went slightly too far with what we done, that one shouldn’t have been performed the way it was.

 

Judy Caine [00:42:36] OK. But it all turned out right in the end? No life was lost?

 

Gary Doherty [00:42:44]  No, nobody was lost.

 

Judy Caine [00:42:49] What’s Dani saying?

 

Dani [00:42:53] The Staff at ASDA, the only people that were informed, were the managers and the actual staff members working on the till were not informed. That’s why one of the chaps who jumped over the railing was a chap who worked at ASDA. The one who pinned the guy up by the throat. Sorry.

 

Judy Caine [00:43:13] Which Dani is that? Because I’ve got three Dani’s in my head.

 

Dani [00:43:16] Dani Skillern.

 

Judy Caine [00:43:18] Ah, Dani, that Dani, OK.

 

Dani [00:43:19] The secretary,.

 

Judy Caine [00:43:19] Yeah, I know who you are.

 

Dani [00:43:23] Erm, yeah, I was there so Carl grabbed his sister’s hair and out of nowhere, a guy, an ASDA employee, came out behind the checkout out and a man jumped over the barrier they put up and had Carl pinned up by his throat on the travel agent window. The ASDA management hadn’t informed the staff that this was going to take place.

 

Judy Caine [00:43:51] Well, that is actually more ASDA’s responsibility than Shout’s responsibility the ASDA management should have filtered that down.

 

Dani [00:43:59] Yeah, but it really was not taking into account the danger that they might be in because we didn’t just have the brother and sister. There  was another incident at the beginning of the store. But no one picked up on that. And it was very subtle, whereas it was pretty obvious that Carl was grabbing his sister’s hair, which is why people reacted the way they did. But, I didn’t, I don’t think anyone, neither me or Paula expected that reaction. But ASDA hadn’t informed their employees. That’s probably why it went so wrong.

 

Judy Caine [00:44:33] Okay. Right. Dani we must, we must talk. I must interview you as well at some point, so we’ll set that up.

 

Dani [00:44:42] Yeah, yeah, I’m free most of the time.

 

Judy Caine [00:44:44] OK, maybe, what, sometime next week.

 

Dani [00:44:49] Yeah. That works perfect for me.

 

Judy Caine [00:44:51] Okay. I think I’ve got your details from the reunion so I’ll contact you next week because I’m a bit snowed this week.

 

Dani [00:44:57] Yeah. No, no that’s fine.

 

Judy Caine [00:44:58] Right Gary. I think I’ve got through pretty much all my questions have I missed anything that you’re burning to tell me about.

 

Gary Doherty [00:45:21] Erm, the trips with Shout we’re always quite interesting.

 

Judy Caine [00:45:23] The what with Shout?

 

Gary Doherty [00:45:23] The trips.

 

Judy Caine [00:45:23] OK, what the residentials?

 

Gary Doherty [00:45:23] Yep, we done writers’ retreat. That was quite interesting.

 

Judy Caine [00:45:37] Where was that and why was it so interesting?

 

Gary Doherty [00:45:40] Well, normally when we done it, it was Newton Field Centre.

 

Judy Caine [00:45:44] Oh, yeah, I know where that is.

 

Gary Doherty [00:45:47] We went there a few times. It was just the change of space changed the flow and everything. It was quite good to do it. And there was another time where we went camping when we were doing research for a Powerless play. That was interesting. Because some obviously Paula bought her nephew Max along who was six at the time. And we actually had a six year old teaching us how to make a fire safely. Which was really interesting. And the only two people that actually bought electronic devices that shouldn’t have them on them, were two of the older members of the group. (Dani mentions names off mic) No, it was Doris and Jordan. They couldn’t last without the technology. Because the was on what if the world lost all its technology? Would we still be able to communicate?

 

Judy Caine [00:47:04] Be a tough one to do now wouldn’t it?

 

Gary Doherty [00:47:06] Yeah, it was quite an interesting concept.

 

Judy Caine [00:47:14] It sounds really, really interesting. Well, look, thank you.

 

Gary Doherty [00:47:20] No problem.

 

Judy Caine [00:47:21] It’s been really nice talking to you. Danny, I’ll contact you next week.

 

Dani [00:47:26] Yeah,that’s fine.

 

Judy Caine [00:47:26] I’ll send you a release form. Gary.

 

Gary Doherty [00:47:29] Yep.

 

Judy Caine [00:47:30] And I shall crack on and transcribe this. Thank you very much indeed.

 

Gary Doherty [00:47:36] Yep. No problem.

 

Judy Caine [00:47:37] Enjoy the rest of your evening.

 

Gary Doherty [00:47:39] Speak to you soon.

 

[00:47:40] OK. Bye.

 

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